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July 12, 2013 at 12:49 pm #45602unfyModerator
DW2's dungeon rewards were mostly just quest items, not really equipment. The Thundersword is in the Cave to Rhone, but it's out of the way and original-nintendo-hidden :/
I don't think there's any kid of miniboss fight at the end of the cave, just an exit into Rhone with a short trek to a monolith that has free healing & revive & save point.
In regards to defeat…
PoC is your primary healer, yes – but the Princess starts with healmore and does gain antidote. PoC is the only one of the two that gains the resurrect/revive spell, though….
And, you don't get defeat until late game… and usually around then you'll start facing beserkers or green dragons a lot… which can easily kill someone if they gang up. And ,there are Blizzards in the end of the Cave or in Rhone itself … and they're weak to 'defeat'… and they also happen to cast 'defeat' … sooooo… yeah.
July 12, 2013 at 12:49 pm #45603unfyModeratorDW2's dungeon rewards were mostly just quest items, not really equipment. The Thundersword is in the Cave to Rhone, but it's out of the way and original-nintendo-hidden :/
I don't think there's any kid of miniboss fight at the end of the cave, just an exit into Rhone with a short trek to a monolith that has free healing & revive & save point.
In regards to defeat…
PoC is your primary healer, yes – but the Princess starts with healmore and does gain antidote. PoC is the only one of the two that gains the resurrect/revive spell, though….
And, you don't get defeat until late game… and usually around then you'll start facing beserkers or green dragons a lot… which can easily kill someone if they gang up. And ,there are Blizzards in the end of the Cave or in Rhone itself … and they're weak to 'defeat'… and they also happen to cast 'defeat' … sooooo… yeah.
July 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm #45604Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterLooked it up in my Dragon Warrior II guide, guess the House of Healing guy is in the Malroth Cave where you get the Eye of Malroth. A little before the Rhone events. It's just an Evil Clown battle.
Yea, the towers and caves really had the one treasure that was important (usually a fragment / story-related item).
Forgot the Princess starts with Healmore. That makes healing a little more bearable.
And now I remember towards the end of the game the only person who can do damage to those final bosses is the Prince of Midenhall with the Thunder Sword.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm #45605unfyModeratorRe: PsM with healmore
It helps a bit… but healmore is a jyp in the NES ver. It heals only a bit more than regular 'heal'. Heal costs 2mp iirc, and healmore is 5mp iirc. In the early game, yeah, it helps. Late game… meh.
And without maxing your levels, the PoM is your damage dealer aye. The last 10 or so levels, PoC starts gaining like 8-10 STR per level, making him more useful.
I think the last time I beat it, i was somewhere around lvl 35 for PoM. I'll prolly try grinding to max this time around.
July 12, 2013 at 8:23 pm #45606unfyModeratorOh yeah, I did manage to get a Dragon Potion drop from metal babbles.
The only thing I've noted about it that people seem to differ on: it's usable repeatedly (not one time use).
July 13, 2013 at 12:03 am #45607Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterWow that's probably like a 1% chance of getting that dropped right? What the hell does it do?
Healmore is pretty wasteful, now that you say that. I believe regular Heal is 3mp though
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 13, 2013 at 12:57 am #45608unfyModeratorI think it's a 1/128 drop – and is only dropped by metal babbles. At the level I was at it took 2-3 hits by PoM to kill'em too.
It allows saving of the game from anywhere, even in a dungeon. Sadly if you die – you few pawn at the last regular save point ya did – not where ya used potion :(. It also, sadly doesn't tell you how much XP ya need to level :(. So by the time you get it – the death tax of $$$ isn't all that important.
From a story line point of view – a beautiful voice can be heard, standard save questions, I look after my descendants or something like that. So basically it's "But thou must!" Chick heh.
I know I've gotten a magical/mystical hat before. Ill be attempting to get one again although it prolly doesn't have the MP reduction feature of the dw3 version :/
July 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm #45609Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterQuote:It allows saving of the game from anywhere, even in a dungeon. Sadly if you die – you few pawn at the last regular save point ya did – not where ya used potion :(. It also, sadly doesn't tell you how much XP ya need to level :(. So by the time you get it – the death tax of $$$ isn't all that important.lol…so what is the point of it? You can save anywhere, but in actuality your last real save point is where you start?
There is a Magical/Mystical Hat in Dragon Warrior III? I don't recall, or maybe I haven't got it, if it's a rare drop item. I did get the Hat of Happiness in Dragon Warrior IV from the Small Medal King (which has you restoring MP every ~5 steps you take).
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 13, 2013 at 6:04 pm #45610unfyModeratorQuote:lol…so what is the point of it? You can save anywhere, but in actuality your last real save point is where you start?Indeed, that's the mechanics. Save in the dungeon, die, appear at the last king you visited. Or reset and load, you'll be at the last king still etc.
If the death 'tax' was more punitive, it might have a use, but other than the 'but thou must!' chick reference … its moot. Or if it was a hard to find item early game it'd be useful…
Quote:There is a Magical/Mystical Hat in Dragon Warrior III?Indeed. I know Glacier Bashers drop it (north frozen island place with just the lone wizard house on it or whatever). It doesn't restore MP, but it does reduce cost of spells by 1/5th or something like that. I don't recall if it rounds the benefit up (ie: a 2mp spell might only cost 1mp ? i don't recall). It's armor value was decent / acceptable as well IIRC.
July 14, 2013 at 4:02 pm #45611Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterQuote:Indeed, that's the mechanics. Save in the dungeon, die, appear at the last king you visited.I suppose it's useful if you're in the middle of a late-game dungeon and just want to save your progress and quit (namely save your levels / exp). And like you say, at that point the Death Tax is pointless since you can farm Gold if you want anyway.
Quote:Indeed. I know Glacier Bashers drop it (north frozen island place with just the lone wizard house on it or whatever).Yea I know where you're talking about, Greenland or something right huohu . I need to get my copy of Dragon Warrior III, I borrowed it to a good friend who lives a bit away but I'm sure he still has it.
I'm almost done with Dragon Warrior IV. Around level 37-38 but can't beat Necrosaro. His last form likes to use freezing breath twice and takes off 100+ to each person twice a turn. Need to get luckier with the moves he chooses to use. The AI for the allies also screws you since I put Brey in and I just want him to use Bikill on my strong physical attackers, but he'll use Chaos over and over which has 0% chance of working. It'd be nice if he could at least learn from the first attempt that it won't work. Then if I put in a healer like Cristo he'll do stupid stuff like cast Defeat, and I've never seen him use Increase which would be the best thing he could do.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 15, 2013 at 12:01 am #45612unfyModeratorI don't think I've ever seen Brey cast bikill. I know it's in his move set but… Yeah.
I can't recall what I went into Nec with. Been too long :(. I should prolly replay 4 heh.
July 15, 2013 at 12:10 am #45613DragonAtmaModeratorBasically, DW4 ally AI is amazingly stupid; against Keeleon, for example, I had Cristo casting Increase, but it wasn't quite enough. I leveled a couple of times, went to try fighting him again, and Cristo suddenly felt we had enough defense, so no Increase, requiring MORE levelling!
And people still wonder why I went through the second half of the chapter with Hero/Ragnar/Alena/Taloon…
July 15, 2013 at 4:54 am #45614Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterQuote:Basically, DW4 ally AI is amazingly stupid; against Keeleon, for example, I had Cristo casting Increase, but it wasn't quite enough. I leveled a couple of times, went to try fighting him again, and Cristo suddenly felt we had enough defense, so no Increase, requiring MORE levelling!Yep, that's exactly the issue. Gaining levels just complicates the AI even more. You're right about Cristo using Increase when his level was in the teens. Like I was saying with Brey, he's actually consistent using Bikill from when he gets it (level 19) but once he gets Chaos (level 32 or so) he begins to phase out Bikill. Hard to justify using him when he's wasting 1/3rd of his turns using Chaos on a boss.
The idiotic AI affects Mara the least of the magicians; she always spams Blazemore, Blazemost, Firevolt, etc. Even Nara isn't bad at the first part of Chapter 5 since she uses Sleep a lot which is effective.
Quote:And people still wonder why I went through the second half of the chapter with Hero/Ragnar/Alena/Taloon…Not bad. Taloon gets decent equipment and towards the end with Sword of Miracles he can be a force. I just get tired of his goofy antics in battle, at least as far as trusting him in a boss battle.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 15, 2013 at 12:24 pm #45615DragonAtmaModeratorLYS, here are two possible quotes:
Cristo cast Defeat on [boss]! But nothing happened!
Taloon trips! Suddenly a weapon critically hits [boss]!
Which would be worse?
As for the mages, Brey, Nara and Mara have low HP and flimsy armor, so they risk getting one-shotted by an unequipped Song Yong. Nara and Cristo's MP is needed for healing, plus Cristo loves to spam worthless spells. In the meantime, Ragnar, Alena, and Taloon act completely sensibly — they attack the enemy, using items intelligently (e.g. Sword of Thunder vs groups), Hero is controlled by me and provides in-battle healing as needed, and Cristo and Nara heal in between battles. All I have to do is make sure one of my AI allies doesn't accidentally wind up with an herb! XD
Of course, if you like baldness, feel free to make the party Brey/Cristo/Nara/Mara…
July 15, 2013 at 1:33 pm #45616unfyModeratorIf your party doesn't have Alena in it, you're doing it wrong.
Buuuttttt… I believe for the last time I played through 4 – I stuck with 3 physical types and just used the Sage's Stone every turn myself. At least, I have a distinct recollection of doing that in dw4 or dw5 in at least one play through or something. All too fuzzy :(.
In the later games, I don't mind party members being in AI control optionally. In general, they do just fine … and healers usually make decent in game decisions towards middle-of-the-round-heal that ya can't do by specifying orders ahead of time.
Still haven't sat down and forced my way through the Cave to Rhone yet. I probably should, the XP is better on the other side for level grinding.
I'm just not looking forward to a few hours of grinding that proves only minimally helpful heh.
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