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September 7, 2013 at 11:28 pm #45683sonic.penguinModeratorQuote:If you want insane difficult, Cao Cao edition mod.
I don't even know if I would call it insanely difficult, more like impossible unless you're savestate hacking and using AnSha on everyone.
September 7, 2013 at 11:55 pm #45684unfyModeratorbtw, forgot to say: congrats willbloodworth!
I forgot how far i got into Cao Cao edition (or part 2 or whatever) before giving up.
There's a chance i might have mentioned it somewhere here in the board, dunno. I know I got beyond 'yuan shu' and was at the very least at the jingzhou/yuan shao branch. I believe I made it through Yuan Shao and was in JZ attempting to beat the liu bei stuffs ? dunno.
Every great once in a while I debate firing it up again to see what i can do… but… no. i always remember the shudder… erf.
September 8, 2013 at 5:31 am #45685WillBloodworthParticipantUnfy, that's exactly the video I was referring to regarding a Japanese version of the game (DQ2). Also, thanks! It took TONS of work to get to that part of the game, and tons more to wind up successful in the end. The Water Flying Cloth was the one thing to which I can attribute my ultimate success.
September 18, 2013 at 8:12 am #45689unfyModeratorLooks like Willbloodworth undertook a DoaE challenge:
http://www.twitch.tv/willbloodworth/
"Will, what the hell are you doing here?"
Great question, Will! Fresh off my Dragon Warrior 2 Solo Prince of Midenhall run, I'm following it up with another Playthrough From Hellâ„¢ (patent pending) – Destiny of an Emperor for NES, with the following (crippling) handicaps:
Lowest possible level run – no non-essential fights – should land me at L39 or L40
No purchasing gear. May only use equipment found in chests or hidden in strongholds/cities/caves
Only purchases of Resurrects, Gullwings and Smoke Pots allowed (for smoother navigation/minimal running from fights)
No Power Pills/Elixirs purchased (ONLY usable if found)
No recruiting Pang Tong (this means Shu will SUCK)
No An Sha (this means everything AFTER Shu will suck even worse)
Must execute Yuan Shu
Cannot fight the Pirate Force in Wu
Allowed to recruit Han Zhong in random fight with one Rebel Force (this SHOULD mean less XP than fighting front gate)
Allowed to recruit Lu Bu and fight random encounter Lu Bu later on
Allowed to get commissioned swords
Game will be played on a RetroDuo console – no emulation = no save states = reset hell, so be prepared!
(Most inspiration for these handicaps thanks to http://kongming.net/doae/challenge )
Oh, and for myself – I've not continued pushing DW2 to max level yet for doing malroth runs to see how the percentage of attempts that get completed at max level (consider it SCIENCE!%!@%). Still plan on it, just haven't.
Have been playing a bit of Uncharted Waters (the original) on Genesis. Curious how different it might be etc. Nope, it's about the same. That 60K money limit really sucks in the original heh.
Also, playing this round a bit differently than normal. Original latina -> nao x 3 -> galleon -> heavy galleon x 5. I picked the wrong port to max out on shipyard industry (venice, was doing venice <> pisa grandmother route for porcelain / artwork). Should have picked something further away the enemy AI wouldn't have cared about.
Did get into one fight that had my ass handed to me, 3 of my ships gone (the nao's coincidentally). Didn't reset, lost some good mates, and went on about my business.
Anyhoo, configured the HG's up for battle 180 max crew, 100 guns. Did only the $16k figurehead instead of more expensive one. Since ya can't moar ships or convert them on the fly … and that you have the on-hand money limit… might as well. Typically sail around with 100-120 crew on each ship, 140-180 on flagship. Just outright wrecks anything that attacks me (or passes nearby and I was bored). Think I've prolly been through 50-75 fights ? Main character can sink an enemy galleon in a single volley (frightening).
I've not counted total ports converted, but went ahead and did 'world domination' stuff as well that's common to do in UW2. Start out in Lisbon with 40-50k gold, and 1000-1500 firearms cargo, Sail around Africa – invest, sell as needed, etc. I'm sure I'm missing some port(s) in the spice islands and perhaps a few on north/south america. Don't think I care though heh.
Something that's been unusual. I've only done maybe 1 or 2 errands for shop keeps. The rest have been king related. I've basically been sinking so many enemy / pirate fleets that fame has been sky rocketing on it's own (hey, its not my fault they come to the slaughter). Anyhoo – I'm not sure if the king's requests are related to the last thing you do that gains you fame or what – but his request have been far different than what I'm used to. Normally it's "go get some commodity like coral". I've had only *one* of those. The rest have been "go blow some stuff up", 2 letter deliveries, and I'm on my THIRD "go find some rare trinket" quest. THREE trinket quest in one game – WTF ?
First trinket was in the artic ocean (above russia / siberia) … grrr. And as typical – go to India, go to Istanbul, go to China to get the map. Thankfully, I've gotten the sailing levels to be able to handle b.s. conditions the game throws at ya (especially in unyieldy heavy galleons). Second trinket was Algiers, East Africa, New World, China-pirate-fight. Third trinket was East Africa, South America, and now gotta head back to East Africa to find out if it's a map or fight.
Something unusual – while doing the New World bit of world domination between first and second trinket quest – I apparently hit 50k fame or something and was getting an occasional message in pub's about king wanting to see me or something happened in the palace etc (was thinking yay, end game!). Go back – nope king doesn't want me and princess is fine. Think I was only a Marquis at the time ? Not even a count etc ?
Having re-played 1 to near it's conclusion, I will say – sailing in 2 seems to go a lot faster (going around africa or north sea or just europe to new world). Battles in 2 are a bit harder since ya don't control all of your fleet (only hint at them).
September 18, 2013 at 10:12 pm #45690sonic.penguinModeratorQuote:Have been playing a bit of Uncharted Waters (the original) on GenesisI played this a bit but found Uncharted Waters II for SNES a bit more interesting. The whole open-ended game concept with shopping and finding artifacts and such was a very hard idea to grasp and the learning curve for this game is HUGE. While fun to play once you FINALLY get the hang of it, it's kind of like playing an elder scrolls game… it's just so open-ended that the game becomes tedious at times, like you're just accomplishing random stuff without any really engaging quest line.
September 19, 2013 at 2:56 am #45691DragonAtmaModeratorUncharted Waters 2?
Athens-Istanbul Art-Carpet line. Bang, boom, Eternal Profit Vortex.
September 19, 2013 at 3:19 am #45692sonic.penguinModeratorPff. Or just blackjack your way to fortunes. Bypasses all the trading and pirates.
September 19, 2013 at 1:38 pm #45693unfyModeratorThe grandma Athens / Istanbul is fine for a start but is quite limited :).
Get Lubeck invested to offer silver. Get Madeira (off coast of west africa) invested to offer gold. Much more insane profits. Maybe 4 or 5 trips back and forth and you got more than enough money to beat the game undoubtedly.
As far as Uncharted Waters in general and being 'open ended' and all of that. Yeah, it is. But UW isn't really about questing. Well, not really. It's basically a stat progression / trading sim kind of thing. The idea is to make money to get better ships so you can make more money, etc. Questing – outside of requests of the king you don't have to do ANY questing technically. But the game does offer a way for you to quest for stuff at random (or UWNW – just go ask for a quest at guild).
And as far as the quests themselves – the game does offer constant hints about how to accomplish your current 'quest' so that's not so blind (although 'go find and kill so and so' and 'go find mysterious item X' are less exacting in their help).
Side facets of the game would be exploring (which is kinda stupid – fire up google maps / earth, look at a globe. heh) – combat stuffs (mostly optional), "world domination", "world chaos" (same as domination but if you're a pirate so no ports are loyal to any country), wooing every barmaid, and standard 'challenge' things (such as smaller or fewer ships etc).
UWNW has a combat mechanic is that is infuriatingly stupid (duels). Random b.s.
I find the game typically soothing to play. Although I always get annoyed after spending about a week on it because that was a week of play time I could have been constructive (see the rotk2 remake), or playing a *new* game heh.
Anyhoo, beat UW1-genesis last night. Combat was frightening. Sinking any ship in a single cannon attack, disabling any ship just by attacking it (crew count/combat), etc. Hell, I had at least two fights where so and so would challenge me on a new screen (enemy ships can teleport however they want, when the game thinks its time to attack you, they spawn on right on top of you). Anyhoo – they initiate combat, their flag ship is the first to attack. It does a boarding/crew combat attack on me and instantly dies. Battle over.
I really should get back to DW2 or something. I just don't wanna :(. Grinding to max levels just for the sake of doing it is NEVER fun (even the last bits of "world domination" of UW is boring).
But I'm really curious what a rough percentage of end boss run attempts end up succeeding at max levels in the game (given that it has the air of being one of the hardest rpg's).
January 14, 2014 at 9:03 pm #52909Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterHow you doing on this unfy?
Been doing some work with Dragon Warrior 2. Sitting around Osterfair fighting some enemies and getting lucky finding the group of 8 Metal Slimes (even though they only yield ~210 exp each). Managed to get the group up to levels 23-22-18. Illyth (Princess of Moonbrooke) takes so damn long to level up.
Prince of Midenhall died and I realized there is no House of Healing at Osterfair. So I made the trek back to Midenhall via the warp in Osterfair, and the House of Healing guy at Midenhall just says “visit the House of Healing when in need”. Great, thanks. It’s funny talking to the king and the wizard-looking sprite in the throne room and they just pity you for being a dead ghost. :brilsmurf: So I had to walk all the way to Cannock just to revive Prince of Midenhall. What a hassle.
I find that buying a Shield of Strength for each character and putting it at the top of the inventory is a huge convenience. Infinite Healmore spells so it’s easy to stay max HP so you don’t get unlucky and dropped by a tough group of enemies. Plus there are many enemies who like to do that damn ‘strange jig’ where you can lose anywhere from 5 MP to 30 MP. I didn’t know they could steal that much but I just saw 30+ mp be stolen by one of those dark blue trees (with red leaves).
It’s funny playing this on the NES in my son’s room. He’s pretty smart about RPG’s as he’s seen me play through Mario RPG, FF2, later Dragon Quest’s, etc. But he wonders why I just wander around and fight and fight in this game. Tried to explain to him that 75% of this game is sitting around fighting to gain levels.
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