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April 26, 2006 at 10:48 pm #4029SamuelParticipant
Destiny of an Emperor II Shu Playable Generals list here.
Apart from Zhang Fei and Pang Tong, we have to choose three more generals for Han Zhong and Shu. Who will you choose and why? How does your line up change after you acquire Ma Chao and Ma Dai?
When we fight Cao Cao and Sima Yi, we can choose seven people. But we have many more by that time. What are your lineup choices? Which five do you start? Who is the sixth man and who is the tactician? Maybe we can discuss this here.
In the five man lineup, I choose Huang Zhong, Wei Yan, and Ma Liang. I have never tried recruiting Zhang Lu. Let me try it this time. Howwever, Zhang Lu’s ability cannot beat these aforementioned three. Ma Liang’s 235 intelligence is a big factor. I have two tacticians (Pang Tong, Ma Liang) that can launch devastating tactics on many enemies.
As for Cao Cao and Sima Yi, my starting five are Jiang Wei, Zhao Yun, Ma Liang, Guan Xing (replaced by Guan Suo later), and Huang Zhong (sometimes use Ma Chao). Again, Ma Liang’s 235 intelligence is very very crucial. I never overlook him. He can strike with tactics even when enemy generals are in the range of 180 to 210. If you equip a treatise, you can make Ma Liang become a tactician with 255 intelligence. I tend to use Huang Zhong over Ma Chao because his 175 intelligence provide stronger defence on tactics. Ma Chao’s 140 is a little too low for the final battles.
Zhang Bao is my sixth man. His 90 intelligence is too prone to be assasinated by An Sha. We have other generals with a high number in strength. If I can drop Zhang Bao, I would have done so. Ma Chao is my ideal sixth man. The tactician is obviously Zhuge Liang. He is the only person with Ba Gua and Ce Mian although he does not have An Sha. The Ba Gua and Ce Mian combination is more formidable, especially if we succeeed in implementing Ce Mian.
April 26, 2006 at 11:25 pm #18394Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterSamuel said:
Apart from Zhang Fei and Pang Tong, we have to choose three more generals for Han Zhong and Shu. Who will you choose and why? How does your line up change after you acquire Ma Chao and Ma Dai?
When we fight Cao Cao and Sima Yi, we can choose seven people. But we have many more by that time. What are your lineup choices? Which five do you start? Who is the sixth man and who is the tactician? Maybe we can discuss this here.
In the five man lineup, I choose Huang Zhong, Wei Yan, and Ma Liang. I have never tried recruiting Zhang Lu. Let me try it this time. Howwever, Zhang Lu’s ability cannot beat these aforementioned three. Ma Liang’s 235 intelligence is a big factor. I have two tacticians (Pang Tong, Ma Liang) that can launch devastating tactics on many enemies.
As for Cao Cao and Sima Yi, my starting five are Jiang Wei, Zhao Yun, Ma Liang, Guan Xing (replaced by Guan Suo later), and Huang Zhong (sometimes use Ma Chao). Again, Ma Liang’s 235 intelligence is very very crucial. I never overlook him. He can strike with tactics even when enemy generals are in the range of 180 to 210. If you equip a treatise, you can make Ma Liang become a tactician with 255 intelligence. I tend to use Huang Zhong over Ma Chao because his 175 intelligence provide stronger defence on tactics. Ma Chao’s 140 is a little too low for the final battles.
Zhang Bao is my sixth man. His 90 intelligence is too prone to be assasinated by An Sha. We have other generals with a high number in strength. If I can drop Zhang Bao, I would have done so. Ma Chao is my ideal sixth man. The tactician is obviously Zhuge Liang. He is the only person with Ba Gua and Ce Mian although he does not have An Sha. The Ba Gua and Ce Mian combination is more formidable, especially if we succeeed in implementing Ce Mian.
Very interesting thread.
It seems you hold Ma Liang in high regard. With this Treatise duplication I think I’ll start experimenting with him in my group more often. I haven’t previously due to his lack of strength which bugs me for random battles, although he’s obviously as effective as Zhuge with tactics if he has the Treatise.
I never, ever get Zhang Bao anymore. The fact that you can’t drop him is annoying and like you say his 90 intelligence is just a bullseye to Wei tacticians. He’s just going to get An Sha-ed or turned against you with Li Jian. More of a problem than an asset in the battles that really count.
My parties are usually skewed because of Zhang Lu. I use him up until you get Jiang Wei, because I like his overall stats. Balance is the key, that’s why I find myself using Ma Dai over Ma Chao sometimes because of Dai’s higher intelligence.
Anyway, back to the 5 man and 7 man set-ups. Generally, I use Zhang Fei, Pang Tong, Zhang Lu, Huang Zhong and Ma Su, with Pang Tong being the tactician. If I don’t get Zhang Lu I’ll either substitute in Ma Liang or something. As far as Ma Dai and Ma Chao are concerned, I’ll usually put both in over Huang Zhong and Ma Su. I don’t think it’s a really bad thing to have to deal with though, having many talented generals. Really, any combination of them work at this point especially if you have the dominant Zhang Lu.
When I get to Wei, I usually keep the five-man setup. The reason for this is because I like having Zhuge Liang AND Jiang Wei in battle. Neither of them should be sitting out as the tactician in a 6 or 7 man team, in my opinion. But that’s different if you picked up Zhang Bao, that messes that option up. That’s reason number one that I never get Zhang Bao; it eliminates the better combinations you can make with your party because that slug can’t be dropped.
That said, throughout Wei you can’t have Zhuge and Jiang in battle at the same time for a while, until Bei Di I think. After that, I’d use those two, along with Zhao Yun, Guan Xing/Guan Suo, and Ma Chao. After hearing about the Ma Liang-Treatise thing, I might substitute him for Ma Chao, to have a ridiculous THREE tacticians with 255 intelligence, with Guan Xing, Guan Suo and Zhao Yun not being too shabby themselves.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingApril 27, 2006 at 2:06 am #18395armyantParticipantHmm,i thought you can skip zhang bao and not recruit him,I did that just 2 weeks ago. I always use 5 man instead of 7,so for that part of fighting shu,i used Pang Tong,Ma Dai,Huang Zhong,Ma Su(i guess i choose him for his army thats all) and Zhang fei. Most of the time just using fire tactics and Li jian on the opponent.
After i get to Wei, i used Ma Chao (i love to use him with his strenght ^^ and army capacity),Guan Xing/Guan Suo (They are still better then other general right?),Zhuge Liang (They is no better man then him for tactics,well other then jiang wei with Treatise),Jiang Wei (Of Cos it will be him ^^,all Stats at 2XX,it better then recruitable general), Zhao Yun (Well his good for his Str and Int which i offen use).
Ok, thats mypart of what general i use for shu and wei. How about others?
April 27, 2006 at 2:06 pm #18396SamuelParticipantIf we do not need to recruit Zhang Bao, I will be ecstatic. I remember that one of Guan Xing and Zhang Bao stands right at the exit of the main castle in Han Zhong. We have to recruit that person in order to move. Hopefully that person is Guan Xing.
I have never tried a five men lineup for the Wei battles. But in this case, we do not need Ma Liang. Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei give us two good tacticians. The dropback for a five men lineup can be this: we lose our tactician if an An Sha is cast on him. We then cannot use any tactics. Believe me, it happens. Even a Zhuge Liang or Jiang Wei can be hit by a tactic that an enemy general launches. The general’s intelligence may hover around 200 and can still strike Zhuge Liang or Jiang Wei.
A six or seven men lineup is still a better idea, in my opinion. We protect our strategist from getting killed. My lineup for a six men front will be as follows:
Jiang Wei, Zhao Yun, Zhuge Liang, Huang Zhong, Guan Xing/Guan Suo, Ma Liang.
A seven men front is as follows:
Jiang Wei, Zhao Yun, Zhuge Liang, Huang Zhong, Guan Xing/Guan Suo, Ma Chao, Ma Liang.
Indeed, Ma Su and Ma Dai are worth serious considerations in the five men front during the Shu stage. I admit that I overlook Ma Dai because of Ma Chao’s reputation in "Romance of the Three Kingdoms." Frankly, Ma Chao’s 140 intelligence is a little low for the final Shu battles and the Wei stage.
April 27, 2006 at 4:41 pm #18397Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterYes, An Sha can happen to Jiang or Zhuge. Then, you don’t have a tactician for the current battle.
You are correct about Guan Xing and Zhang Bao. When you leaving Han Zhong, Xing will be in your way so you have to get him. Bao won’t be so you can skip him.
Also it is a little known fact that I use Meng Da in the Shu area on occasion.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingApril 27, 2006 at 11:22 pm #18398SamuelParticipantI see. I do not consider Meng Da at all. His agility is good; yet, his strength and intelligence are still too low for me to include him. Huang Zhong, Wei Yan, Ma Liang, and Ma Su are better than Meng Da (prior to the acquisitions on Ma Chao and Ma Dai), in my opinion.
July 17, 2011 at 5:14 am #18399Jiang WeiParticipanti like to use zhang fei, zhao yun, wei yan, pang tong, and ma su til i get ma chao and ma dai then i switch to zhang fei, ma chao, pang tong, wei yan, and ma su
in wei i use zhang bao, guan sou/ma chao, jiang wei, zhao yun, zhuge liang
i've never seen a enemy general use an sha in my game for some reason, well once or twice but it failed when used, zhang bao is pretty decent and is a great asset in the wei lands on the battle field
September 23, 2011 at 2:53 pm #18400sonic.penguinModeratorGuan Suo shows up kind of late in the game, but why is he so stronger than all his predecessors?
The lower INT officers seem to be less useful as the game goes on which makes Jiang Wei almost superpowered compared to the others, especially with his high agility.
September 23, 2011 at 7:04 pm #18401DragonAtmaModeratorPerhaps they did that to give people an incentive to use him; there's only so much room for new officers, especially since the player's almost certainly using Zhao Yun, Jiang Wei, and Zhuge Liang, and since he still has to compete with Ma Chao, Ma Dai, Huang Zhong, and others…
September 24, 2011 at 5:42 pm #18402Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterAnd remember Guan Suo is forced to join. I do agree he shouldn't have been as strong as he is. What is he, 245, 250? It should be more like 220-230, tops. Because even then he'd still be effective at physical attacks.
DA brings up a good point as well, as they had to distinguish Guan Suo from some of the other officers like Ma Dai, Ma Chao, etc.
But yea the high INT characters are way overpowered. I remember having Pang Tong from the Zheng Letter trick and it'd absurd having him paired with Zhuge Liang, Jiang Wei and Zhao Yun.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingOctober 13, 2011 at 8:23 am #18403Jiang WeiParticipantzhao yun and jiang wei are both op i wonder if some one would be willing to have a challenge where you can't use those two at all cept when forced
October 13, 2011 at 10:14 am #18404Zhuge LiangParticipantQuote:But yea the high INT characters are way overpowered. I remember having Pang Tong from the Zheng Letter trick and it'd absurd having him paired with Zhuge Liang, Jiang Wei and Zhao Yun.Yes, you can recruit Pang Tong again with Zheng Letter at An Ding at a certain time ( not always ). You can have as many copies of him as you like, 'cause I usually used up the 64 items trick so I often adopt the likes of Lu Bu and Pang Tong as many as I can in order to exchange them with high-ranking Wei generals.
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November 24, 2011 at 9:58 pm #18405Jiang WeiParticipanti figured out my wei force
zhang bao, guan sou, ma chao, zhao yun, jiang wei, zhuge liang, huang zhong
flip in haung zhong when ever you need heal one person badly and far from town or when you think double attacks more effective
and my shu five man team is
zhang fei, zhao yun, huang zhong/wei yan(double ax only), ma su, and pang tong, i generaly switch out ma su and zhao yun for ma chao and ma dai
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