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April 13, 2008 at 11:34 pm #4760kain611Participant
Well I just found that I had Dynasty Warriors 5 for my PS2 so I think I'm gonna start playing that this week. Any suggestions on starting out?
April 14, 2008 at 12:37 am #34211antlan87ParticipantZhao Yun!
April 14, 2008 at 1:10 am #34212Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterWorst DW :) Just my opinion though. It’s either too easy on Hard, or too hard on Chaos. Bad difficulty balance, plus the musou tokens just make your character kick too much ass.
I still was interested enough to max each character out and get their final weapons though, even in 5 they have some interesting challenges to get these weapons.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingDecember 23, 2009 at 7:36 pm #34213Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterHmm, well that post of mine there does a good job of summing up my opinions of this game.
What do you think so far, Link? Favorite character? What difficult level have you been playing the musou modes on?
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingDecember 24, 2009 at 2:36 am #34214LinkParticipantMy favorite in DW4 has always been Ma Chao, so he was the first person I tried out. It turned out he was pretty strong and quick compared to most officers, and definitely has a good range. If only I got a harness, he would be godly.
Although I favour speed, Guan Ping was a good officer. Frankly, the reason I like him is because of his cool sword. It slows him down a lot during battle, but at least it helps him strike strong.
(Zhao Yun is supposed to be the best character, just made suitable for almost everyone, but for some reason I find it hard to control him.)
Ling Tong is a easy-to-use officer, since he's extremely swift and has the stomping move (I think combo 4) which helps you clear everyone out. I use this guy a lot.
(Lu Bu was a disappointment, his moves are not so attractive to me. LOL)
Overall, I think Ling Tong is the best on foot, while Ma Chao is #1 on horseback.
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This is a bit embarrassing, but so far I've only been playing on easy and normal modes. I just decided to go with it for a while, and once I get used to everyone and max their ranks and stuff, I could maybe move on to hard to get the orbs and fourth weapons and such. I tried chaos mode for the YTR once with Ma Chao, I made it to Zhang Liang who beat the crap out of me and left me in the red bar… I just shut off the PS2 then in frustration.
December 24, 2009 at 3:11 am #34215DragonAtmaModeratorI find Zhao Yun to be among the most compatible with me. Lu Bu too, but only because they deliberately made him overpowered
And yeah, the consensus is that when mounted, Ma Chao is the best choice.
December 24, 2009 at 3:23 am #34216Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterYes, Ma Chao is a god on a mount. Ma Chao got a HUGE push in Dynasty Warriors 5. He was actually mediocre at best in Dynasty Warriors 3 and slowly worked his way up in quality (obviously Koei saw his popularity, rivaling that of Zhao Yun, Guan Yu, etc (maybe that at that level but just a hair below)). I don't like his personality though, really repetitive with the justice stuff. It's just absurd.
Ling Tong was a favorite of mine too. Quick moves, decent power.
Pang De might be my favorite character in that game. Badass personality, has some cool stages like He Fei (Wei side) and his work with Ma Chao earlier in the game. Even more expanded in DW5 XL. Plus, he's a straight-line beast in the mold of Taishi Ci DW3.
Guan Ping does look neat of course, reminds me of Fu Xi circa DW3 (made-up character with the JRPG-like sword like Guan Ping has). I enjoy his involvement in the Guan Yu flood / fleeing battles in DW5 and DW5XL.
Zhao Yun can annoy me in some games. Some characters like him are too fast for their own good when it comes to doing moves and it makes it hard to combo them up or angle your attack properly (though I can't say for certain I've had problems with Zhao Yun in DW5 since I can't quite remember how everyone plays in each DW, but I could see that being a problem with his speed).
I'd play on Normal or Hard. As I said before above, the difficulty balance is one reason I don't like DW5 that much – Chaos is way too hard for casual play (being extremely cautious and cheap is the only way to survive and that's not fun). Hard works but I never found things to be that difficult, mostly because the Musou Token is so outrageous that you can take out even the toughest officers if you build one or two tokens up.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingDecember 24, 2009 at 4:24 am #34217DragonAtmaModeratorThe ironic thing is that people that studied what really happened tend to think that Ma Dai would be as good an officer and warrior as Ma Chao if not better, but what are the odds of him being playable when they're not even making Jia Xu playable?
December 24, 2009 at 5:07 pm #34218LinkParticipantMa Chao's personaliy is very boring and annoying, since he never misses the word justice in his cutscenes. I don't ever recall him being such a superhero-type guy in the novel. Oh well, KOEI can do anything.
Pang De is cool, really strong, and can swing to one side on horseback (uncommon in games before DW6). But bad thing is that even with the speed scroll he's kind of… slow when swinging his weapons (aside from Musou Rage). This prevents him from executing combos such as the C5, which takes four swings and a second-long charge attack.
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I'm not sure why people would put Ma Dai over Ma Chao, although the former was a very good officer. And also, I think Ma Dai is superior to Jia Xu in the chances of becoming a playable DW character in the future, mainly for the fact that he has more of a story in fighting and that he is a fighter himself while Jia Xu really… wasn't. I know Zhuge Liang couldn't fight, but that's because he's ZGL, and someone needed to rival Sima Yi.
December 26, 2009 at 5:26 am #34219Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterI agree about Ma Chao. In the novel, he always seemed more simple than he is portrayed in the games. I will say that DW5 does a nice job with his battles against Cao Cao which contributes to Ma Chao reaching another level.
Yea, Pang De is pretty good on mount too. I agree about his speed, and most characters like that annoy me. But I've always put up with Dian Wei's lack of speed and he still has been one of my favorites (well, until they took the Ax away in DW6).
Ma Dai does seem close to Ma Chao, and would be a good addition for Shu as he is versatile with his work in Xi Liang before joining Shu.
I think you underestimate Jia Xu though. Just finished reading Chapter 18 in RTK and Jia Xu provides profound insight to hound Cao Cao with a middle of the road force (Zhang Xiu's forces). I see your point about not adding more tacticians, but they already have Zhu Ge Liang and Si Ma Yi (and 13-14 year old girls for that matter) so that bridge has already been crossed so to speak. Jia Xu could work for several rulers as well, making him a perfect DW addition. He needs to be on the cusp as far as I'm concerned but I've liked him since Destiny of an Emperor.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingDecember 26, 2009 at 3:31 pm #34220LinkParticipantI realize how brilliant Jia Xu was in strategy, but I'm just saying, would the people like another weak tactician? Zhuge Liang couldn't fight, but Sima Yi was a master in using the spear, so as I said above, somebody had to rival him. But then again, since KOEI did squeeze people like Xiao Qiao in there, I guess Jia Xu could be a good addition.
Still, if the future DW games had to add one or two more characters, I would rather have Pang De (returning) and Deng Ai over Jia Xu in Wei. The former two just seem more powerful and interesting. I guess I just am not very interested in the weak at strength.
December 26, 2009 at 4:25 pm #34221Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterFair enough bro, I see your point…I'm definitely already a fan of Pang De and am just assuming he's coming back sooner or later as the same character or similar. Deng Ai too is a great choice but that's only under the assumption that they add at least 3-4 new end-game stages past 234 AD. Of course, everyone has been clamoring for that for some time.
And yea, that's what I mean with Xiao Qiao and Da Qiao – if you're going to add them, then that takes the seriousness factor out (though granted they aren't on many stages as enemies so it's not too much of a hindrance from battle-to-battle). The most important aspect for me when adding a new character is how versatile they are and how important they will be in the existing battles in the game and going onward. Jia Xu has a role from the early stages against Dong Zhuo all the way to Wei's ascension and Si Ma Yi's take over, including important roles against Cao Cao for Zhang Xiu and his role in Chi Bi and He Fei too if I recall. Just imagine being able to have a real playable character for Zhang Xiu's forces against Cao Cao in the Wan ambush. They could really make a sweet battle for that, showing off Jia Xu's brilliance against superior enemy generals and sheer numbers.
This is also why I want Yuan Shu in the game because he'd provide a playable character for a whole new force, one that feuds with Cao Cao, Liu Bei, Sun Jian, Sun Ce, Gongsun Zan, Dong Zhuo, Yuan Shao, you name it…Can't wait to have him in DW7 :) huohu
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingDecember 26, 2009 at 5:08 pm #34222LinkParticipantGood point. About the nonsense character matter, I guess KOEI just did that so that people from both genders and those who sympathize with Zhang He (no offense) could all enjoy the game, and thus they could make more money out of that. LOL
And as much as Jia Xu had a very long story of service, I assume that Liao Hua has the longest. In the novel, he was a former Yellow Turban officer who served under Guan Yu at Fancheng/Maicheng and cut through the enemy to get to Liu Feng (that would be fun if playable). Another event is Liao Hua's escape from Wu, with his mother (I think) back to Shu after Guan Yu's death. It could be similar to Guan Yu's escape, only stealthier. Liao Hua also participated in most of the Wu/Wei campaigns, so I guess that already makes over 5 stages, some less-known but good enough to fit into the Xtreme Legends expansion.
Ambushing Cao Cao continuously at Wan with Jia Xu would be really fun. Only Dian Wei would be in extreme hyper mode… :D
December 26, 2009 at 8:39 pm #34223Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterYes, they do try to provide a little bit of everything. But ultimately, that kind of shit is popular overseas (The little submissive Qiao girls that can still fight in a game). Zhang He isn't too much of a deviation from Zhao Yun. Sure, he's over the top, but the game is filled with 'pretty' males, from Zhao Yun to Zhou Yu to Zhang He to Lu Xun.
Liao Hua would too be a good addition. Like you say, his service extends from the Yellow Turban era to way past Wu Zhang Plains. That's impressive. Plus, he is on the Yellow Turbans for a time and then Liu Bei, and isn't he with Cao Cao for a very short while? Either way, Liao Hua has to be up there with Ma Dai for the best Shu additions.
As far as Wan Castle, yea, Dian Wei would be a monster. That battle is insane in DW3 on Zhang Xiu's side, with just a crapload of reinforcements for Cao Cao. Tough to fight through all the elite generals and would be a great challenge for an early-battle. I would love to be able to do it in Jia Xu's musou mode (I'm getting excited just thinking about how awesome Jia Xu's musou mode would be).
By the way, to get back on topic for Dw5, I think Wan Castle battle is really stupid in DW5. Cao Cao will run away for an arbitrary amount of time and it just ends up being a weird battle.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingDecember 26, 2009 at 11:11 pm #34224LinkParticipantI don't think Liao Hua ever served Cao Cao, he was only held as a prisoner in Wu after Fancheng in real history, and was a prisoner after Liu Chan surrendered to Jin. However, in the latter circumstance, he grew ill and died, most likely due to sorrow. The sorrow part might be a good event to symbolize Liao Hua's loyalty to Shu.
But back on topic, I haven't played Wan Castle yet. I don't think Cao Cao's Musou Mode had it. I'd better try Dian Wei's.
Today I got Zuo Ci as a playable character, almost done maxing him out. He's a monster. A very harmless-looking monster. Although he is nonsense in all aspects, he still is cool.
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