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Terranigma Freak said:
I never did like Zhou Yu or Lu Xun. Both of them are immensely overrated for no reason, especially in power. When have they ever fought anyone to deserve 70 and above? Freaking Sima Yi went one on one with Wei Yan, you don’t see them giving him a high strength. Plus, I thought Xu Sheng, Lu Su, Zhang Hong, Han Zi, Taishi Chi, Gan Ning, and Lu Meng deserve better than what they’re getting. Xu Sheng himself proved at to be at very least a mini-Jian Wei/Deng Ai. Yeah, he lost a one on one with Cao Ren, but he actually fought.
well sima yi is good in the 60’s. u forgot cheng pu, he deserved much higher. and zhang hong is good. so is taishi ci. gan ning deserved around 93 war. lu meng, he deserved a little higher true. i dont know bout han zi, what did he do that was so special? Lu Su is perfect. xu sheng and zhang cheng and zhou fang deserved much higher. zhou tai and ling tong are underrated as well.
Well that’s the thing, Sima Yi fought Wei Yan (someone who’s generally in the low 90s) gets in the 60s while Lu Xun who wet his pants at the sight of Zhao Yun gets in the high 70s.
zhou yu and lu xun did fight. what about chi bi and yi ling? they did fight in these wars u know. they are just like lu meng, but not as strong as he is.
What you talking about? Cao Cao also fought, that doesn’t mean he deserves a high war. These "fights" you speak of are battles they’re involved in. Zhuge Liang was involved in TONS more battles than Zhou Yu/Lu Xun combined. In Chibi, Zhou Yu was up on the moutains watching the battle! Neither Zhou Yu nor Lu Xun proved their skills in one on one combat. Like I said, even Sima Yi fought a one on one. Again, I said Cao Cao doesn’t deserve a very high war, yet if we go by what you use as standards for strength, then Cao Cao really should have those ridiculous 90 plus strength like he did in ROTK 2, 4, and 7.
Yeah, I forgot about Cheng Pu and Huan Gai. Both of them are intelligent and good fighters. Wu has many well balanced officers, but they get the shaft while the stats or Zhou Yu and Lu Xun are sky high.
I don’t know if Sima Yi deserves a high War. That duel with Wei Yan was only a setup for a trap, and I really doubt Sima Yi would have stood a chance against Wei Yan in a real bout.
Speaking of Zhao Yun, I personally think he should have higher War than Guan Yu since he fights so very many people. Even on his last mission, Zhuge’s first northern campaign, he killed Han De and his four sons on his own.
I don’t think Zhao Yun was more powerful then Guan Yu, since he only held off Wen Chou (or Yan Liang) and Guan Yu killed them.
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I have always loves Zhao Yun in the games because of his godliness, but historically he didn’t seem to do anything waranting his huge stats.
Didn’t his sons get stuck with some lame ass job when he died? Like guarding the hill he was buried at?
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Guang and tong or something, they sure did. I never really understood why most of these sweet guys kids wre lame asses, you’d think with Zhao yun as a father he would have you training to fight from day 1.
He probably got home from warring and shit and called them pussies. Or was like "I have a son?"
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cao cao didnt fight TF, and sima yi’s duel was a trap. wei yan could have wasted him if it was for real. and lu xun and zhou are fine in the low 80’s for war. they werent watching battles from above, they were fighting. and as for lu xun wetting his pants at the sight of zhao yun, well the same happened to zhou yu when he saw guan yu with liu bei, but still, u really think they stand a chance against those 2 strong warriors? zhao yun, guan yu, and zhang fei have a reputation for being strong, so of course they are gonna wet their pants. and again what did han zi(isnt it Kan Ze?) do that was so special? maybe he deserved a high intelligence but no more.
Low 80’s? LAst I checked Zhou Yu and Lu Xun had low 60’s on the rate of Cao Cao, which is appropriate, (well maybe not Lu Xun)
In the earlier games they had to have a decent WAR since that determines how strong their unit was and both Zhou an Lu were good leaders, in the later games they can have more LDR and less War and still be effective
huaxiong said:
cao cao didnt fight TF, and sima yi’s duel was a trap. wei yan could have wasted him if it was for real. and lu xun and zhou are fine in the low 80’s for war. they werent watching battles from above, they were fighting.
Again, I don’t where you get this stuff from that Zhou Yu and Lu Xun fought, but Cao Cao didn’t. Zhoy Yu and Lu Xun didn’t fight anymore than Cao Cao fought. Not where in the novel did Zhou Yu or Lu Xun engaged in real combat. They were at the battle, just like Cao Cao, Zhuge Liang, or Sima Yi, but nowhere did it say they "fought" anyone to a stand still.
Second of all, Wei Yan at the time was the equivalent of Zhao Yun/ Zhang Fei, and Sima Yi didn’t turn his tail and run. Don’t forget, Sima Yi was basically at Wei Yan’s mercy if he really sucked in combat. Think about it, the whole point of Kongming’s plan was to KILL Sima Yi, the fact that Sima Yi dies would be enough for Zhuge Liang to score a victory. Sima Yi went up against Wei Yan in combat, if he sucked, there’s no reason why Wei Yan couldn’t have killed Sima Yi right there. Afterall, they’re trying to trap him so they could kill him.
Now wait a minute, I’m NOT saying Sima Yi deserves a high war, I believe the low 60s is fair enough for him, I’m just comparing REAL combat, real personal combat feats as oppose to just simply being in the battle. Zhou Yu and Lu Xun were there, but they didn’t do anything proves they deserve such high points.
Oh and Han Zi was the one who convinced Cao Cao that Huang Gai was indeed surrendering. It was his skillful tongue that tricked Cao Cao into think Huang Gai was turning traitor. I mean, you know, Huang Gai was the very person who executed THE most crucial part of the attack: Getting close to Cao Cao’s ships. If Cao Cao didn’t believe him, he wouldn’t have the chance to ram Cao Cao’s ships.
ok fine forget lu xun and zhou yu and cao cao.
ok sima yi had some balls to go fight wei yan, but wei yan could have easily killed him if he tried, but he let him beat him to lure him in a trap. in fact, why didnt he kill sima yi in that duel?! that was a perfect chance. and yes Han Zi/Kan Ze did deserve a high intel but no more. and wei yan was not the equal of zhao yun and zhang fei. he was weaker than them.
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