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July 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm #45617Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterQuote:Cristo cast Defeat on [boss]! But nothing happened!
Taloon trips! Suddenly a weapon critically hits [boss]!
Which would be worse?
Haha, true, but I wasn't arguing in favor of Cristo. Mara never does the wrong thing, Taloon does too often. Mara's Blazemore and Blazemost are about equal to a critical hit and she does it every turn vs. a boss.
Quote:As for the mages, Brey, Nara and Mara have low HP and flimsy armor, so they risk getting one-shotted by an unequipped Song Yong.True, their armor is terrible. Unless you go through the casino and get a Metal Babble Shield for Mara, then all bets are off. Mara's total HP actually isn't too bad, and if you put her in the back she's usually okay (and when Alena and Ragnar have 300-400 HP, you have plenty of time to heal that back spot).
Nara is the one with a negligent amount of HP. I think even at the end she has like 85 HP (she gets a 1-2 hp bonus per level while Ragnar is getting 25 HP each level by the time he's in his 20's-30's).
Quote:Hero is controlled by me and provides in-battle healing as needed, and Cristo and Nara heal in between battles.
That's definitely the ideal strategy I think, since you can count on when you'll heal. I usually plan for this strategy by giving all the Mystic Acorns and Seed of Agility's to Hero so he can have extra magic and go early in the turn. The problems come when you don't have the wagon and then you have to conserve Hero's MP for healing (and then hope he has enough MP to cast Outside after the cave/tower, but then that's another reason to have Mara along).
Quote:Buuuttttt… I believe for the last time I played through 4 – I stuck with 3 physical types and just used the Sage's Stone every turn myself.That's a fine strategy, except the Sage's Stone doesn't come your way until half-way through the final castle so it's short-lived.
Quote:In the later games, I don't mind party members being in AI control optionally.Yea, that reminds me that playing Dragon Quest IV DS is completely different since you can control your allies in Chapter 5. Cristo aka "Kiryl" is pretty much a necessity to have since all the bosses have like double HP in the DQIV DS version.
The idiotic ally AI is kind of cool in Dragon Warrior IV though much in the same way it is great in Persona 3. It kind of artificially bumps up the difficulty and it seems more realistic being able to just control the main character.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 15, 2013 at 4:16 pm #45618unfyModeratorP3's AI control was…. sigh.
With something like the SMT battle engine, dumb AI control can be devastating :(. I think in one of the later releases you gain the ability to control team mates ? Or is this a P4G or something I dunno ?
Note, I've not played P3. Not a huge fan of the Persona series, especially after 3 started the dating sim aspect :(.
The other SMT games I do like… although more from a twitch.tv voyeur respect rather than playing them personally. Been currently watching someone solo Nocturne on hard difficulty FLEXX
July 15, 2013 at 10:47 pm #45619unfyModeratorSo. Through the Cave. Ran from most everything. Lost PsM. PoC had ~15MP left.
Levels are 26/24/19. Prolly too low to beat game with heh.
PoC knows defeat but not revive. PsM knows explode but not chance or open.
I'll grind in Rhone or in the Cave (Cave for the hat drop).
To correct an earlier mistake / misspoke on my part – PsM learns heal all… Dunno if PoC does.
July 17, 2013 at 2:28 pm #45620Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterk
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 18, 2013 at 1:10 am #45621unfyModeratorSpent just a little bit of time grinding in Rhone after the last post.
Got Revive, yay.
Odds of survival while in Rhone appear to be between 33% and 66% depending on the game's mood. There was a time when I went 5 battles in a row without living through any of them.
Blizzards casting a 'Defeat' that wipes everyone out, Gold Batboons and 'Sacrifice', or a Bullwong that's having a bad day and decides to take it out on you.
Also ran across some Mace Masters while exploring Hargon's Castle. I forgot how much they don't like you :blackeye: — probably more than Attackbots hate you.
Haven't gone back into the cave yet. Dunno if I'll bother, I dunno.
July 19, 2013 at 3:41 pm #45622Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterThat sounds like a heavenly time. Those monsters at the end of the game are insane. Attackbots go like 2-3 times a turn right?
You'll probably go back into the cave after you get tired grinding around the area after.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingJuly 19, 2013 at 7:08 pm #45623unfyModeratorLast area, you can get 1k-3k experience per fight without too much hassle. The beginning of the cave, you get ~300-700 experience per fight. Haven't fought within Hargon's Castle to figure out an average exp yet.
With levels coming at 20-25k exp at a time, ya kinda need the boost.
Attackbots I believe are 2 attacks every turn, they hit hard, and have really high armor and decent hit points. Green Dragons also hit really hard but I don't think they get two attacks and their fire breath is a relief (especially using the 2 water flying cloth glitch). Haven't played with Hargon Knights much.
Around Rhone – Gold Batboons aren't too bad (Firebane, and party wiping Sacrifice spell), Blizzards are irritating (Defeat is a weird spell, it seems to generally not land, but when it does – it likes to take out your entire party) … but Defeat seems to do okay on them. The Cyclops/Giants type monsters are easy as pie. The Bullwongs hit twice per turn for 35ish each, or cast Explodet (60hp to PoM, 35ish to PoC and PsM). Most spells also dont' work on bullwongs :(. They do drop wizard rings though – which is real handy. I've had one drop which will make final castle attempts easier.
Inside Hargon's Castle I primarily ran into Mace Master's in my last trek through… and they are just nasty :(.
So for me, it seems to make sense to just grind in Rhone and accept the frequent game overs since there's no EXP penalty (just gold loss).
The Magic Vampirii's that drop the whatever Hat for the PoC and PsM are near the end of the Cave to Rhone. I'm not sure if how many floors I'd have to backtrack. But they're surrounded by attack bots, hargon knights, and green dragons too. Also, as far as I know – with DW2's drop rate function I'll only be able to get 1 of the Hat's. Maybe.
DW2 nes – if it's a weapon or armor and you already have one in your inventory, the end of fight resolution will just double the amount of gold you would have received (ie: so you can't get two Staff of Thunders, etc). Items (herbs, lottery tickets) you can get from monsters if you've already got one. Some places list the Hat as an item, others list it as an armor. I'm not entirely sure if the 'can drop more than one' thing is hard coded to a list of things or if its "item types only" or what. I've gotten a Dragon's Bane (item, evade some spells better) from a fight (i'm pretty sure).. and it's an "item"…
July 21, 2013 at 11:14 am #45624unfyModeratorLevels now take 30-50k exp each.
Have around 300k exp. took 2hr to gain 120k? Casually that is.
At 32/30/25. No new spells to learn. Might just go beat the game next time I play. Caps are 45/40/35. Granted these last 10 levels are where PoC starts to become useful …
Do have a full set of cursed gear – dunno if gonna use it or not.
Should prolly play around in last castle to see what enemies are like.
Odds of game over in a fight have dropped to around 5%.
I hate the music in this game ._.
August 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm #45658Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterPopped my real copy of Dragon Warrior II into the NES to see how far I was last time I played. Looks like I had gotten the boat, and then the Golden Key + Jailor's Key. Not much other than that so I got the Moon Crest after beating the Tiger. Then got some weapons and such. It's fun getting the boat and being to go all over but then I realize how many levels I need to gain to be competitive in some of the harder areas down south.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingAugust 6, 2013 at 3:30 pm #45660unfyModeratorThe boat is such a boon to freedom and open endedness in DW2.
And it probably started most console RPG players on their "zomg i got new mode of transportation, the world is miiiiiiiiiinnnneeeee".
I did boat, both keys, the moon crest via warp gates (south of mindenhall -> ostefair) simply because i usually get destroyed on the short walk if trying to do it by sea.
At that time, I didn't have stepguard so I didn't do the SoT money loop.
Prolly did the other key related things (erdrick stuff, tantegel stuff, crest in Hamlin). Didn't WFC yet either because the trek to Tuhl is usually fatal for me first few attempts and didn't wanna deal with it.
I avoided fairy water / repel in the sea due to decent exp. Went through charlock a couple times for the exp (and erdrick sword was mildly handy at the time). Tried to grind near… B…something ? The town west of Tuhl that has the warp gate to rhone swap/entrance. That didn't work out too well. Around Ostefair (moon crest) did okay for a few levels which was kinda weird (I usually get my ass handed to me).
The tower with moon fragment did okay for grinding too. A few floors up produces enemies that are more tolerable than the stuff outside tower.
Oh, a note about Bullwongs in Rhone – sleep tends to work pretty good.
Prolly near 600k exp without using speedup yet. Did try for the hat from magic vampirii with no luck yet. Haven't had a second wizard ring drop from a bullwong either.
August 7, 2013 at 2:54 am #45661unfyModeratorI've had several BW's drop chests but no new wizard rings. Sigh.
Had no luck getting hat, even attempted a fair amount save state abuse to try to RNG abuse – no luck.
Hex edit in the hat -> adds 4 defense equipped like equipment. Reduces MP cost of spells in battle (but not out of battle), does nothing when used as an item. Threw the hat away after isolating what it does (don't like to cheat).
Been playing at 200% speed. 44/39/32 are my levels IIRC. Mid 700k exp's. PoC has been useful for a while (for a change). Don't think he can hit a metal babble yet. PoM can't 1 hit them with falcon sword yet.
August 8, 2013 at 3:30 pm #45662Lord Yuan ShuKeymasterQuote:Tried to grind near… B…something ?I think Beran. I was just there. But nothing halts RPG momentum like having the NES fuck up despite not even moving.
There is another quest on here from the person who had it before me. Someone named Shirley, and they're in the 30's in levels. Trying to imagine the hundreds of hours spent just grinding to get there. It's not like Dragon Warrior 3 or 4 where you can find Metal Slimes and Metal Babbles somewhat regularly (and the EXP reward is worth it)
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingAugust 8, 2013 at 4:47 pm #45663DragonAtmaModeratorThat's okay; I have a DW1 file where the hero's level 30.
That takes 65535 exp; even the HIGHEST exp monsters (metal slimes) give only 115 exp, so it takes a LOT of grinding — especially since you're usually level 18-21 when you beat the game.
Then again, after lots and lots of grinding, I finally beat FFL3 solo; I was level 83 (!) when I did so, and normally you're level 32 when you fight the final boss. Sheesh!
August 8, 2013 at 10:14 pm #45664unfyModeratorLYS: Beran, indeed I think. Level 30 isn't too hard to hit. You get to Rhone and then within an hour you should be in your lower to mid 30's. Upper 20's or lower 30's is all that's needed to beat the game 'naturally' AFAIK.
DA: Did you grind the Axe Knight, wander around inside Charlock, or do what I typically did and did the scenic loop starting and ending in cantlin ? I'd start in cantlin, head south / south east into the huge double swamp where ya find the token (or something … using but-thou-must's wuv), go through the mountain maze, and stop back in cantlin for refill. A bit more entertaining than back and forth walking although not as fast as axe knight grinding prolly.
August 9, 2013 at 5:01 am #45665DragonAtmaModeratorIt must have been a mix of wandering around in Charlock and wandering around the Haukness-Cantlin area. Back then I didn't have the patience to stay in one area and definitely didn't have the patience to fight the same enemy 500 times in a row!
I also have a Maso's Adventures (basically, DW1 with no equipment, ring, or scale) of DW1 that's in hibernation… it's currently level 9. Don't expect Maso to be fighting in Charlock much!
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