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Well yeah we try to practice good SEO…also I agree going for RPG Game is probably a worthless idea and could be replaced (especially considering they’re the first two keywords on the template for every page title). We don’t rank well in google for some reason, maybe for a lack of links coming in. I know our forum is entirely supplemental, probably for similar page titles or something. All I know is the one time I truely had google down was right when Suikoden V came out and we were getting like 500 hits a day. That of course died off with competition and the game getting old. Final Fantasy 12 would probably do the same if I ever get that up.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackinglordyuanshu said:
Well yeah we try to practice good SEO…also I agree going for RPG Game is probably a worthless idea and could be replaced (especially considering they’re the first two keywords on the template for every page title). We don’t rank well in google for some reason, maybe for a lack of links coming in. I know our forum is entirely supplemental, probably for similar page titles or something. All I know is the one time I truely had google down was right when Suikoden V came out and we were getting like 500 hits a day. That of course died off with competition and the game getting old. Final Fantasy 12 would probably do the same if I ever get that up.
Wow. First time someone else I?ve spoken to has known the term ?search engine optimization?.
I only became familiar with it after reading books about it.
I?ve got a moment, so here are a few more suggestions looking at your home page. In your keywords you use ‘final fantasy’ numerous times. When search engines parse this field (which they don?t put a lot of weight in) they actually ignore commas (i.e. ‘cao pi ling’ covers ling cao, cao pi, cao cao, etc.). Also, they are optimized to look for old-school techniques to cheat the system (spamming keywords). In this case, for example, Google is probably applying a penalty to LordYuanShu.com for ?final fantasy? searches (because it sees warning signs that this content may not be as genuine as it might have expected).
Keywords and site description are verified in page content. Your root directory, lordyuanshu.com, will never rank well in Final Fantasy (this is especially true due to the popularity of Final Fantasy). It is a general portal, so its keywords and description should match the site?s overall objective (i.e. focus on its featured elements that will always remain linked?your game home pages). You should be strong with the term Final Fantasy on your actual Final Fantasy pages, and link to them from your home page with ?Final Fantasy? in the links (as you are currently doing). Make sure anything you put in keywords appears in a page, and try to keep them consistent.
Use header tags. For example, right now we have ?Final Fantasy VI End?, ?Final Fantasy 6 World of Ruin?, etc. They are actually just plain text modified with the font tag in a table cell. Google treats these headers as plain text, which is unfortunate. You should make them headers (for some search engines, the higher the better) for some extra prominence. The fact that they are also links with proper keywords will also serve you well at this point. You can even make sub-headers (like ?Pre-Kefka?s Tower?) headers as well (use CSS for styling).
Speaking of tables, search engines like clean consistent markup. You would be better off eliminating tables in that text area and instead using regular HTML or, even better, CSS. Google tries to create a document structure. That will help your page rank.
Site introduction! This is a key page element which your site is missing. Many search engines look to each page for descriptive text toward the top. Furthermore, these search engines often use this text to create their own summaries, which have a high impact on keyword ranking. The home page of Kongming?s Archives, for example, features a concise paragraph at the top of the page which describes the site. I see this text in search engines everywhere, and it is used heavily in searches I have seen. I also filled that description with some extra links (you?ll notice they are actually keywords) to help a little bit more.
Those things aside, there are two other elements which are harder to control. One is the way in which other pages link to your site (the more keywords the better) and the only thing you can do to control that is to consistently describe your site in a keyword-ridden way. Another is page age. The older a page, the more weight it holds. Also, the older other pages linking to you (as long as their subject is defined) the greater their impact on your site. This is why I still do battle with 3kingdoms.net and threekingdoms.com for top-tier ranking under the generic search of ‘romance of the three kingdoms’ (last I checked, I was rank three in Google, rank one in Yahoo!) and the reason why my old Dynasty Warriors 3 page ranks highly for the specific search of ‘"Dynasty Warriors"’?even though I haven?t been updating it for years.
If you have any questions about CSS, I don?t mind helping out.
thechieftain said:
Maybe we should try on of MMORPG’s like WOW or something.
Good luck ranking under ‘WOW’ or ‘World of Warcraft’.
Okay this will take a while to set in I think.
Basically, since we switched to Joomla (new layout), this is the deal. We’ve got the meta keywords and meta description, which I try not to be too general with. I understand it’s hard to rank for FF, but specific parts of FF games it shouldn’t be too bad.
However, a few things about why google doesn’t like us. One big reason, I think at least, is the whole http://www.lordyuanshu.com and lordyuanshu.com thing. I’ve heard that if you have varying www or non-www, it’ll count some of it as supplemental / Duplicate content. We were using lordyuanshu.com without the www for so long that some people still use it (via bookmark, via some links that are still like that) and it worries me that we get penalised for that.
If you do a site:www.lordyuanshu.com search on google, you’ll get a decent amount of results but most of them are supplemental results (of the forum). Is there a reason for that? Is it because the page title is the same on the top? Is it because the file names are long and ugly? For whatever reason, google hasn’t indexed us completely despite it being easy to find anything on the site from the first page. This makes me think they’re penalising me for something (like similar page titles, www / non-www, etc). Actually it’s all been fucked up since we moved it over, for whatever reason. I know google moves slow, but I know somethings wrong. Worse yet, I hate how google won’t fucking tell you shit about what they do with your site. Our site PR fluctuates from 2 to 3 daily, it’s frustrating.
The other issue is as I go through Kongming I see you have all these subpages with high PR. Your damn DoaE 2 page has a higher PR than my home page. I mean, where can you get high pr sites to link to random games like that? With our other sites, basically our affiliates tell us to get high-PR links and that’s basically the end of it. So I know they’re important for creating traffic and getting up on the SERPs, I guess I just don’t feel like there are enough "relivent" links that can come to those games. Obviously it’s worked for KMA though.
Another question, is SoSZ and KMA on different servers? I thought they were on the same but that would help a lot if they weren’t for linking purposes…
I don’t plan on ranking on WoW nor do I care enough to try. I’d like to make an effort to rank for the games that either don’t have many online guides or have poor ones. It pisses me off to know that we have a good LoCC guide yet it’s worthless because a bunch of other uninformative sites have us beat out on that despite us having the more relivent information. Again though it comes with figuring out the google thing as a whole, in my opinion, and when that happens the rest of the site will come to.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackinglordyuanshu said:
Basically, since we switched to Joomla (new layout), this is the deal. We’ve got the meta keywords and meta description, which I try not to be too general with. I understand it’s hard to rank for FF, but specific parts of FF games it shouldn’t be too bad.
The trick is to create sub-sections. Ranking high for Final Fantasy would be a nightmare, but if you created sub sections for things like Espers, laden with keyword-right details, you could potentially take a top-tier rank with little trouble (as long as your SEO is as good as other dedicated sites). At Kongming’s Archives, my section home pages have less presence than my sub-section home pages in most cases (exceptions being things like the Destiny of an Emperor or Dynasty Warriors 3 pages). But things like my Dynasty Warriors 3 4th Weapons guide, or my Wallpaper pages, they bring in hoards of visitors. I do this by snatching up people with specific searches. This also makes people more interested in linking from other forums and sites.
In addition, with sub-sections like that garnering such authorities in directories, the home page benefits from it all because it links to each section. In turn, due to viewer interest, it also benefits from much of the traffic because people link to and explore other areas after entering through a sub-section.
lordyuanshu said:
However, a few things about why google doesn’t like us. One big reason, I think at least, is the whole http://www.lordyuanshu.com and lordyuanshu.com thing. I’ve heard that if you have varying www or non-www, it’ll count some of it as supplemental / Duplicate content. We were using lordyuanshu.com without the www for so long that some people still use it (via bookmark, via some links that are still like that) and it worries me that we get penalised for that.
Nah, any decent search engine is so far advanced beyond that that it isn’t even an issue. This drawback has affected many sites around the ‘net and companies like Google recognized the problem and solved it long ago. I imagine you aren’t suffering a penalty for this at all.
One thing to keep in mind as you read about SEO is that the whole composition of this study changes every few years. What mattered three years ago, for the most part, no longer means a thing. As an obvious example you can still find content on the ‘net talking about how important your site description and keywords are. Most modern search engines, though, either completely ignore both these values, or validate them in full against site content. You could make a new web page and completely leave them out these days without suffering too much trouble in search engines (though you description is still useful for initial search engine page descriptions). The www thing is another instance of this.
People break Google these days by setting up keyword-laden dummy sites that link around the ‘net establishing a fake authority. This is how keywords like ‘idiot’ trigger seemingly impossible results in Google’s ‘I’m feeling lucky’ search. Anyone remember ‘weapons of mass destruction’ or ‘more evil than Satan’?
lordyuanshu said:
If you do a site:www.lordyuanshu.com search on google, you’ll get a decent amount of results but most of them are supplemental results (of the forum). Is there a reason for that? Is it because the page title is the same on the top? Is it because the file names are long and ugly?
I did a site search and it seemed pretty normal. Maybe you can explain in greater detail? Also, have you officially submitted your site to Google? Sometimes that helps to prompt full site indexing. Having the same page title can cause associations. As for the filenames, that is an aging search engine trick that still works to a fair degree, but modern search engines are starting to work a little against it (but not in any way that should damage your site). They do, however, hate large collections of PHP or ASP variables (one reason why forums don’t get well indexed).
You’ve got a sitemap which is the first vital step. You’ve got breadcrumbs which also help a great deal. From here, if certain key pages aren’t indexed, you might simply try submitting them independently to sites like Google. That should fill in the gaps. Any real issue, though, would be due to the spiders disliking your page layout or markup for some reason.
lordyuanshu said:
Actually it’s all been fucked up since we moved it over, for whatever reason. I know google moves slow, but I know somethings wrong. Worse yet, I hate how google won’t fucking tell you shit about what they do with your site. Our site PR fluctuates from 2 to 3 daily, it’s frustrating.
Your PR weighed against what keyword(s)?
When I first started trying to get presence with Kongming’s Archives I was astonished at some of the odd results I found in Google. One day I would be rank three or so under ‘Dynasty Warriors 3’, but then I would vanish off the list entirely. As time passed, this issue balanced out, and now the Dynasty Warriors 3 page is always rank one. Also, Google seems to update it with surprising speed whenever I change something. I can’t claim to be able to fully explain this anomaly.
It is a good thing Google doesn’t give out much info, though. Otherwise people really would be tooling their search engine around the world, and it wouldn’t be anywhere near as reliable as it is today.
lordyuanshu said:
The other issue is as I go through Kongming I see you have all these subpages with high PR. Your damn DoaE 2 page has a higher PR than my home page. I mean, where can you get high pr sites to link to random games like that? With our other sites, basically our affiliates tell us to get high-PR links and that’s basically the end of it. So I know they’re important for creating traffic and getting up on the SERPs, I guess I just don’t feel like there are enough "relivent" links that can come to those games. Obviously it’s worked for KMA though.
Mind telling me more about how you are weighing PR? For example, under what criteria, or with what tool, did you compare your home page to my Destiny of an Emperor II page? At that point I can probably tell you more. KMA’s last revision (over a year ago) was entirely focused around retooling the source code for greater search engine presence. The next remake (in progress) will improve it more. There’s no reason why LordYuanShu can’t be as highly ranked.
lordyuanshu said:
Another question, is SoSZ and KMA on different servers? I thought they were on the same but that would help a lot if they weren’t for linking purposes…
They are not. And yes, it does help. Well, being on separate servers doesn’t help as much as having separate URLs. It is nice for them to have separate IP addresses, though, as that is something spiders can verify (but their content is independently unique).
A note on forums. Spiders hate them. It is hard as hell to get presence with a forum. I had to retool a few things in order to 1) get KMA presence from SoSZ, and 2) get SoSZ search engine presence at all. First, at SoSZ, I added a title bar which interlinks with KMA. That helped on both levels. Second, I post KMA updates at SoSZ, which creates new page links and relevance for all new inclusions at KMA. Third, and this was huge, I created a SoSZ Search Tool at KMA and pre-defined searches under different topics. Weeks after posting that, SoSZ’s presence in search engines increased fully four or five times over. New Three Kingdoms topics appear in Google (and other search engines) quite quickly as a result.
lordyuanshu said:
I don’t plan on ranking on WoW nor do I care enough to try. I’d like to make an effort to rank for the games that either don’t have many online guides or have poor ones. It pisses me off to know that we have a good LoCC guide yet it’s worthless because a bunch of other uninformative sites have us beat out on that despite us having the more relivent information. Again though it comes with figuring out the google thing as a whole, in my opinion, and when that happens the rest of the site will come to.
This is a good example. With a proper home page your LoCC guide should easily take first-place ranks under all keyword-related Google searches. We will also both be better off when I make a LoCC page and link back to you. On your end, though, focus on making your LoCC home page meatier. Add descriptions and useful information instead of presenting a list of links. That’s a very generalized answer, but this is the reason why my Destiny of an Emperor page ranks so highly. A lot of relevant information is presented on that game’s home page (note things like release dates and, most importantly, the summary and updates). Without that, I would rank well under Mike’s RPG Games.
Okay this is good. Thanks for all of this by the way, I appreciate the site analysis.
Well, I see your point about getting into more detail on the sections. I’ll have to go through each of them and optimize them with relivent links, hopefully adding a few links coming in for each one. Getting the Wikipedia links was nice so I might start on trying to get those back slowly for the sections.
We submitted to google and all the other important SE’s a while back, not sure if we’ve resubmitted. Are you saying you can just submit certain sections of your site? Maybe I should do that with every game I do. Regarding
As for the google pagerank think, it’s a general indicator of how "important" a page is to google. I don’t know the exact formula but unique information + links coming in is key. I went below to get it. Of course it’s for firefox.
http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/toolbar/index.html
Now like I said, Lordyuanshu is a 2 or 3 on the PR. Your DoaE 2 homepage is a 3 already. It’s a useful tool for seeing which sites are established (ie those with PR 5 or higher are really good sites of course, and it’s nice to see the PR 0’s ahead of time).
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackinglordyuanshu said:
We submitted to google and all the other important SE’s a while back, not sure if we’ve resubmitted. Are you saying you can just submit certain sections of your site? Maybe I should do that with every game I do. Regarding
Turns out I was wrong. You can’t.
What you could do, though, is get access to Google’s webmaster tools and create an XML sitemap for them (they give you instructions). I haven’t done this but I found out about it digging around over there just now. If you maintained one, Google would fully index your site whenever you liked. You can also request that they spider your site more heavily (disabled by default due to server loads).
lordyuanshu said:
As for the google pagerank think, it’s a general indicator of how "important" a page is to google. I don’t know the exact formula but unique information + links coming in is key. I went below to get it. Of course it’s for firefox.
Ah, how interesting. Most of Kongming’s Archives is ranked at a four. Destiny of an Emperor II probably inherits some of this from the site as a whole. However, the all-new Destiny of an Emperor III page is ranked zero, so a bit of it must be due to the way in which a page was spidered, and the ranking of other sites linking in.
lordyuanshu said:
Now like I said, Lordyuanshu is a 2 or 3 on the PR. Your DoaE 2 homepage is a 3 already. It’s a useful tool for seeing which sites are established (ie those with PR 5 or higher are really good sites of course, and it’s nice to see the PR 0’s ahead of time).
One other thing that probably helps me out is that I link to other related pages on all my section home pages (e.g. when I created the Destiny of an Emperor II page I linked to your Destiny of an Emperor II page). I didn’t originally do this for any search engine-related reason, but I later learned that it is valuable to do so. That effectively shares a degree of your site’s relevance with my own. If you linked to me, Google recognizes your site as having the same content as my own, and weighs in your site accordingly. This really helps to climb through lower rankings, but is harsh for the top spots. Because I link to 3kingdoms.net while they refuse to link to any other related sites, I am increasing my relevance in the Three Kingdoms area, but I am also increasing theirs. They are ranked a little higher because they have been around forever. But no worries, they’ll slip soon enough as they are not receiving new content. threekingdoms.com, on the other hand, will probably always remain at Google’s #1 spot. Not only do the have the legendary bonus of keywords being in their domain name, they are still relevant, and still actively linked to.
threekingdoms.com, on the other hand, will probably always remain at Google’s #1 spot. Not only do the have the legendary bonus of keywords being in their domain name, they are still relevant, and still actively linked to.
Plus they have that site game which manages to remain highly popular for whatever reason.
As for LoCC stuff, I’ve been neglecting it for a while to work on other things (Final Fantasy Magic Knight, a few DOAE3 things) but since there’s no demand for those things right now, I’ll probably go back soon and add more content. I couldn’t help you with official stuff though, don’t know a thing about it.
Is there a reason why all the skins are the exact same?
I change them, and even empty my cache, yet still it goes back to the same one.
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yeah, because some of the other ones dont work and we havent fixed them so we force that template on every member…for now
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Yep I noticed this also, we’ll look into it. I wonder if it means the emails aren’t coming out to those signed up to get replies for certain threads…
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingThat’s probably the case, since I’m supposed to get notice for this topic, but I actually didn’t get any…
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