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October 9, 2011 at 6:56 pm #38930
sonic.penguin
ModeratorQuote:One thing I've noted is that I gained levels fast, I got to level 8 real quick (with Ye Huo / Scorch which cheapens the game for a while). Nan Hua and his ~630 soldiers are probably a big part of that since EXP is directly attributed to soldier count.Yeah, this was intentional as you will need Scorch pretty soon after the YT area anyways, plus the beginning sometimes drags because you have to grind so much. Did you get your gift from Tao Qian?
Quote:Sonic.penguin, I'll tell you one thing that you maybe don't know. In this forum, Huo Hu is worshiped like a godsorry hehe, but needed balancing. You should have more then enough TP to compensate due to a TP boost
Quote:still think Huo Hu needs to be a tactician lol. It's throwing me off because I have to carry Chen Deng's weak ass around longer than I want. Plus Huo Hu with no tactics in a DoaE mod is basically like creating a Si Ma Yi with no tacticsThere is a purpose to this, read above :S
Still dont know what is going on with that bridge/battle, im stumped.
October 10, 2011 at 12:43 am #38931sonic.penguin
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October 10, 2011 at 4:01 am #38932Lord Yuan Shu
KeymasterQuote:sorry hehe, but needed balancing. You should have more then enough TP to compensate due to a TP boostThere is a purpose to this, read above :S
"balancing" lol? That's the reason I think he SHOULD be a tactician, because there are no other tacticians in area 2 that you can get until Cai Yong near the end. Besides, statistically he's nearly identical to Liu Feng in terms of STR + INT.
Biggest problem is with how astronomical the soldier counts get early on (Guan Ping 613 Liu Feng 577) combined with the strength / weapon combo's, Huo Hu cannot survive for any length of time. He has Zhao Yun's soldier growth type which is terrible until you're at about level 25. So I think it would behoove Liu Bei's army to have him be a tactician so that he can provide some value, because his in-battle value is limited (or you could just give him a fixed soldier count of like 400-500 and that would make him decent).
That said, it's your rom and you can do what you wish, just giving my honest feedback. huohu
Also think you should change Yang Jin (at Sishui Gate) to someone more relevant (Shang Lang, Wang Fu, Jian Yong, or some other early-Liu Bei officer).
Didn't see who you had at Luo Yang in Wang Gui's spot (he was gone, which he is sometimes).
Just recruited Lu Bu. 1000 soldiers, wow. Now I don't have to deal with him one-hit killing all my guys. At Luo Yang the fucker had 11 soldiers left and one-hit killed Zhang Fei who had max soldiers (389) and the best armor possible lol. You really gotta hit like 2-3 scorch's every turn against Lu Bu in that battle to get rid of him fast. Thankfully Dong Zhuo wasn't as potent.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingOctober 10, 2011 at 10:35 am #38933sonic.penguin
Moderatorsorry about Huo hu. I can make him a tactician but still wont beef him up INT wise. You will understand as you go through the rom more, but adjusting soldier count is an idea.
Quote:Didn't see who you had at Luo Yang in Wang Gui's spot (he was gone, which he is sometimes).you seem to be having a lot of disappearing characters, you might be missing iron ore or something later.
Quote:Just recruited Lu Bu. 1000 soldiers, wow. Now I don't have to deal with him one-hit killing all my guys. At Luo Yang the fucker had 11 soldiers left and one-hit killed Zhang Fei who had max soldiers (389) and the best armor possible lol. You really gotta hit like 2-3 scorch's every turn against Lu Bu in that battle to get rid of him fast. Thankfully Dong Zhuo wasn't as potent.ehehe, yeah that was the plan. I always felt you could almost never die in most DOAE battles.
October 10, 2011 at 2:20 pm #38934Lord Yuan Shu
KeymasterQuote:sorry about Huo hu. I can make him a tactician but still wont beef him up INT wise. You will understand as you go through the rom more, but adjusting soldier count is an idea.It's cool, he definitely doesn't need an INT boost because his STR is already high. Just wanted an addition tactician to choose from especially since Huo's small soldier count leaves him kind of useless otherwise.
Quote:I always felt you could almost never die in most DOAE battles.Yea, it's definitely harder. Helps having DoaE 2.0 as a base since that's naturally harder. The one-hit kills is getting a little crazy though, fricken Han Xian one-hits me lol. But I just defeated and got Ji Ling and Zhang Xun so things are looking up.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingOctober 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm #38935MiDKnighT
ModeratorI personally don't like all the one hit kills. I mean Lu Bu has a friggin halberd in the Dong Zhuo area. What is he on major steroids with Zhuge Liang making his weapons or something? That's just ridiculous. You should at least have a fighting chance not to get 1 hit killed. I don't think his AP should be above 80 for chapter 2 and even 80 is borderline ridiculous. Resurrect shopping before every battle gets annoying. Just my 2 cents.
October 10, 2011 at 4:43 pm #38936Lord Yuan Shu
KeymasterQuote:Resurrect shopping before every battle gets annoyingDefinitely agree with this.
Things for me totally turned in this game after the Spear / Flail cave east of Nan Yang. I was able to mow through Yuan Shu with ease and finally ended up getting a new tactician in Xu Shu. I had been rocking Chen Deng from Qing Zhou Castle to Bo Hai as my tactician lol!!!
Do you have Liu Ye in random fights? I didn't see him once but I wanted to find him since his INT was 211 and he would be a sweet pre-Xu Shu tactician. But I have a feeling you took him out of random fights for that reason.
Just beat Lu Bu at Guangzhong Castle. Definitely need 'Doubt' to have a chance, and then just hope he stays in Doubt status for a while. Then I went and beat up Jin Xuan and Tiger Wang, doing the same Doubt trick. I'd like to get Mislead but again, I couldn't find Liu Ye and instead of Mislead, Xu Shu gets Zeal (aka Bei Ji, attack power increase). That's still nice because then I use it on whoever has the Trident and they do ~600 damage. Mislead is just so valuable in these tough mods though, what-with the massive attacks some of these guys have.
Going to Ji Zhou now. How far along is this mod anyway? Edits through the end?
One more thing. On the way to Ji Zhou, I see you added an extra gate (plus the wall stuff at the north end of that snowy area is pretty cool). But anyway, that extra gate you added after Guangzhong I just walked right through; was there supposed to be an enemy there??
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingOctober 10, 2011 at 4:45 pm #38937MiDKnighT
ModeratorI think a better idea than Lu Bu and others one-hit killing you all the time is to play with the damage / critical hit algorithms so that perhaps Lu Bu lands more critical hits (instead of one shotting you EVERY time). Then there will be some randomness and not a guaranteed one-hit kill every time. For more info on the damage calculation see:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/563402-destiny-of-an-emperor/44112071?page=1
October 10, 2011 at 4:55 pm #38938Lord Yuan Shu
KeymasterI like MiDKnighT's idea there.
Some Rise of Lu Bu pictures from recent gameplay.
Tiger Wang and Jin Xuan, what a duo

Color coordinated Cui Yan and friends. Know what's funny, think about all the boss battles in the original DoaE that have multiple bosses. They always seem to have different colors.

Gongsun Zan and the White Riders. Nice with the Riders…This battle was easier than expected because Zhao Yun was wasting turns with Shui Jian to boost water tactic defense

Fun Jing Zhou battle that I ran into. I had to save state load like 15 times to get away! I wonder how the calculations work in terms of likelihood to run. Definitely seems to be hard to run from several generals, and maybe soldier count comes into play too.
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Huo Hu's Adventure started Destiny of an Emperor hackingOctober 10, 2011 at 4:55 pm #38939MiDKnighT
ModeratorQuote:Resurrect shopping before every battle gets annoyingDefinitely agree with this.
The only downside to Destiny of an Emperor is buying items, buying weapons and armor, equipping, etc… The interface is slow and cumbersome. The final fantasy interface is much easier where you can buy say 20 potions at once or equip everybody's weapons on one screen at the same time. If buying 10 resurrects was as easy as it was in Final Fantasy then it might be ok but to do do click…click…scroll…click…scroll…click for every resurrect several times per battle. Ya that gets old.
October 10, 2011 at 4:58 pm #38940sonic.penguin
ModeratorQuote:I personally don't like all the one hit kills. I mean Lu Bu has a friggin halberd in the Dong Zhuo area. What is he on major steroids with Zhuge Liang making his weapons or something? That's just ridiculous. You should at least have a fighting chance not to get 1 hit killed. I don't think his AP should be above 80 for chapter 2 and even 80 is borderline ridiculous. Resurrect shopping before every battle gets annoying. Just my 2 cents.Think of it as an "early game AnSha" for the AI :P Actually there are only a handful of battles like this in the game and it definately changes the "always win every battle on the first try" which I didn't really like about a lot of DOAE. It mixes the game up a little bit. Again though, there are only a handful of ones like this, obviously, with the most around the beginning there.
October 10, 2011 at 4:58 pm #38941MiDKnighT
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Nice! I did the same kind of thing with the Heishan Bandits in the Yuan Shao mod. White riders…good one.
October 10, 2011 at 5:01 pm #38942MiDKnighT
ModeratorQuote:Think of it as an "early game AnSha" for the AIThe problem is that An Sha doesn't work every time. Here's what I'd do if I were you…
Give Lu Bu an AP of 80 in the Dong Zhuo area… Then play with the critical hit algorithm so that he critical hits you more often. A critical hit could one-shot kill you, a non-critical hit will just hurt very bad. That would be more like An Sha where it doesn't work EVERY time.
For more on the critical hits, this thread has it covered:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/563402-destiny-of-an-emperor/44112071?page=1
October 10, 2011 at 5:19 pm #38943sonic.penguin
ModeratorQuote:Just beat Lu Bu at Guangzhong Castle. Definitely need 'Doubt' to have a chance, and then just hope he stays in Doubt status for a while. Then I went and beat up Jin Xuan and Tiger Wang, doing the same Doubt trick. I'd like to get Mislead but again, I couldn't find Liu Ye and instead of Mislead, Xu Shu gets Zeal (aka Bei Ji, attack power increase). That's still nice because then I use it on whoever has the Trident and they do ~600 damage. Mislead is just so valuable in these tough mods though, what-with the massive attacks some of these guys have.Try Chen Deng or Mi Zhu again.
Quote:Going to Ji Zhou now. How far along is this mod anyway? Edits through the end?Its actually done, but being refined. Up through Wei atm. There was a game breaker I found in WU, so I'm reuploading a new one. Make sure to keep your game current!
Quote:One more thing. On the way to Ji Zhou, I see you added an extra gate (plus the wall stuff at the north end of that snowy area is pretty cool). But anyway, that extra gate you added after Guangzhong I just walked right through; was there supposed to be an enemy there??Just esthetic value atm. Dont know how to script in battles atm.
October 10, 2011 at 5:37 pm #38944sonic.penguin
Moderatorupdated the mod. Have fixed misc bugs and rebalanced some stuff. Haven't worked on that crit. ratio yet though.
Quote:The only downside to Destiny of an Emperor is buying items, buying weapons and armor, equipping, etc… The interface is slow and cumbersome. The final fantasy interface is much easier where you can buy say 20 potions at once or equip everybody's weapons on one screen at the same time. If buying 10 resurrects was as easy as it was in Final Fantasy then it might be ok but to do do click…click…scroll…click…scroll…click for every resurrect several times per battle. Ya that gets old.actually I edited this for battles/merchant menus/and equip menus. It actually should go faster and with less keystrokes than the original DOAE. (no breaks)
Quote:Do you have Liu Ye in random fights? I didn't see him once but I wanted to find him since his INT was 211 and he would be a sweet pre-Xu Shu tactician. But I have a feeling you took him out of random fights for that reason.No he is not encounterable
Quote:Tiger Wang and Jin Xuan, what a duoI tried to add a little humor to the game :D
Quote:The problem is that An Sha doesn't work every time.It's called, "the attack was repelled" hehehe. I'll see what I can do about it without making it 100% winnable.
Quote:I personally don't like all the one hit kills. I mean Lu Bu has a friggin halberd in the Dong Zhuo area.Didn't Lu Bu always have a halberd anyways? j/w. I could downgrade him to Qing Guang >_>
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**Good lineup on your battle formation BTW. Keeping the strong 1000+ char at the back to reduce attacks on them so you can do more dmg; ie; Zhou Cang. ^.-
**How were the new portraits? Were they really annoying or tolerable vs. the old ones? Let me know!
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