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February 8, 2007 at 1:43 am #4264CommieCatGirlParticipant
I just purchased it today, it is fancy.
You have to remember, though; the very thing that makes you a nerd is that your enthusiasms are totally unrelatable and non-marketable to most of the world. For example, anime and celibacy. - Seanbaby
February 8, 2007 at 4:15 pm #23125Terranigma FreakParticipantLucky bastard! I got mine long before you and I still can’t play it. Well, I will be later this week when my new computer arrives. My version will once again pwn your version!!!
February 9, 2007 at 5:21 pm #23126Xian Zhu XuandeParticipantOne might also describe it as ?shiny?, ?spiffy?, or ?nifty?.
I too have a copy, and I?ve been enjoying it thoroughly. Mightily. Verily.
I like that they?ve completely freed up officer creation?no caps on anything.
February 9, 2007 at 7:11 pm #23127NiahakModeratorI didn’t particularly enjoy X, but I did like IX. Some things about X just seemed like a step backward, and there were too many fiddly little things to manage (particularly if you were in control of a city).
Did XI fix the problems with X (or for that matter, does it even have any features of X?)? I know it’s force-based again… How are the enemy AI and the battle system?
I may wait and see if the Wii version’s going to be released here in any case, but I do still want to hear about the game.
February 9, 2007 at 10:00 pm #23128Xian Zhu XuandeParticipantIt is too early for me to speak to the game?s AI. I?ve been reading, at least, that the computer is smart enough to use traps effectively?not just in placement, but also in forcing you into them. From my own experience, it is good at using valleys in defense, which can be quite frustrating (a good thing, though, because the computer in these cases has done the intelligent thing).
I also cannot speak much for X. I actually didn?t even beat X?I didn?t really even get into the game. It just somehow didn?t draw me in, and I?m not sure why. XI, though, I?ve enjoyed, and I?m looking forward to playing more soon. It falls somewhere between the good-ol? oldschool and RTK IX, and I think that manages to hit a sweet spot.
February 10, 2007 at 12:36 am #23129CommieCatGirlParticipantFrom what I’ve played, it’s pretty good. I’ve yet to have any large scale encounters, though, my first new game had me fighting Cao Cao, and he just kept coming at me, probably because I started as an Emperor in Luo Yang. My current game has had little action, starting in Yun Nan during the Yellow Scarf rebellion. I really like how they’ve done the buildings, my territory has dozens of walls, camps, outposts, archer towers, etc. I have more fun building obnoxious defenses than anything else.
The main thing I dislike is how the civilian population is almost nonexistent, cities don’t record population, and deliberately attacking someone’s civilian buildings has no real adverse effects on you (from what I can tell).
You have to remember, though; the very thing that makes you a nerd is that your enthusiasms are totally unrelatable and non-marketable to most of the world. For example, anime and celibacy. - Seanbaby
February 11, 2007 at 12:50 am #23130Perhong_AngtongParticipantFor some reason… it’s been 4 days in a row that I go to EB Games and they just tell me: "We’ll get it tomorrow/Monday"… I WANNA HAVE THAT GAME!!!!
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http://openmedia.ca/lockdownYeah... Pretty much...
February 11, 2007 at 3:05 am #23131Taishi CiParticipantBah, the most recent RTK I own is RTKVIII. Maybe once RTKXIII rolls around I’ll pick that up…
February 11, 2007 at 8:22 am #23132CommieCatGirlParticipantXian Zhu Xuande said:
I?ve been reading, at least, that the computer is smart enough to use traps effectively?not just in placement, but also in forcing you into them.
Cao Cao’s force used them pretty well against me. In on turn, his army built a fireball trap then activated it so that it hit about 5 of my units at once. Though, in general, the computer is retarded when it comes to the ember traps.
You have to remember, though; the very thing that makes you a nerd is that your enthusiasms are totally unrelatable and non-marketable to most of the world. For example, anime and celibacy. - Seanbaby
March 22, 2007 at 3:02 am #23133CommieCatGirlParticipantI managed to beat it for the first time awhile back. Despite how good it is, it takes too damn long. I’ve been able to beat RottK 8-10 in a good long sitting, but, damn, for the first 18 or so hours, I averaged gaining a city every two hours. Then again, I was in the middle of several major multiple-front wars where I took advantage of the AI’s nearly All-Out offenses, I also had to deal with the month(s) in takes to move supplies from city to city. Other than one major flaw and my almost total failure at diplomacy, the game is really good, but I think I’ll go back to playing X.
You have to remember, though; the very thing that makes you a nerd is that your enthusiasms are totally unrelatable and non-marketable to most of the world. For example, anime and celibacy. - Seanbaby
March 23, 2007 at 12:25 am #23134Xian Zhu XuandeParticipantZzouzeizeski said:
Cao Cao’s force used them pretty well against me. In on turn, his army built a fireball trap then activated it so that it hit about 5 of my units at once. Though, in general, the computer is retarded when it comes to the ember traps.
Yeah, the computer is retarded when it comes to embers. In fact, once I build up my general fire technologies, I tend to toss embers around in all sorts of places, even at-risk portions of my own territory. The computer just kind of marches around them as if they aren?t even there and you get plenty of opportunities to use them. Hell, when I?m invading someone I have all sorts of fun killing them with their own embers.
The game does take a long time?a very long time. I suppose, though, if I became a little less anal about micro-managing my kingdom it would speed along much faster. This time through (I?ve beat it once as well) I?m planning to see how viceroys handle attacks.
March 23, 2007 at 1:04 am #23135CommieCatGirlParticipantXian Zhu Xuande said:
I’m planning to see how viceroys handle attacks.
Mine didn’t do too well, I had Cao Cao and Yuan Shu as viceroys on the border of Yuan Tan’s territory (south of that one river south of Ye) and, even with both districts being more powerful than Yuan Tan on their own, he still managed to capture Pu Yan and Chen Liu. Yuan Shu stockpiled a large army of 100,000 at Bei Hai, but it saw almost no action, and Cao Cao did the same thing with Luo Yang and Xu Chang. I also had Han Sui with all the cities from Wu Wei to Zi Tong sending them support, and they just sit there.
I do like how the AI goes though, with Ma Teng being pretty aggresive, Sun Ce whoring archer towers like there’s no tomorrow, and Gongsun Zan conquering everything aroung Yuan Shao, then holding it from him for a good five years when his 9 officers just could handle all of Yuan Shao’s. I almost wish I kept Cao Cao alive instead of conquering him as soon as possible, I bet he’s a monster to fight against with a well established force as usual. The AI is a bit stubborn though, in the end, I had Liu Zhang holed up in Yun Nan, and I used Rumors to help enlist all of his officers until he was alone and the order of his city was 0, then when he was surround by four Nanman units, he still refused to surrender, stubborn bastard.
What techniques do you think are the most worthwhile? My first one was "Train Engineers", then I focused on getting all the drills, especially spears because I was holding off Ma Teng at Chang An and he kept sending wave after wave of calvary. Eventually, I felt the most worthwhile techs were "Veteran Troops", "Reform Military", all the "reinforce" ones (it’s especially effective when you have 30,000 troops at a dock, and the AI sends a bunch of weak boats to try and capture it) "Develop Catapults" and the first two fire ones. At first, I thought the fire ones were a waste of time, but I didn’t notice that Juggernauts replaced Rams, which made them actually useful on the field.
You have to remember, though; the very thing that makes you a nerd is that your enthusiasms are totally unrelatable and non-marketable to most of the world. For example, anime and celibacy. - Seanbaby
March 23, 2007 at 4:32 am #23136Xian Zhu XuandeParticipantMany people have talked about how their viceroys behaved differently depending on who they gave the responsibility to. Others complained about Yuan Shu too, for example, but most spoke highly of Cao Cao. Generals like Guan Yu got the highest recommendations for not only building up troops, but for launching aggressive and reasonably well executed attacks (about as well executed as one could expect from the AI).
I guess I?ll get to see more of this first hand. In my game I delegated cities behind the front lines to the AI (not trusting it one bit) and handled all military action myself. Heck, if they marched on one of my AI cities I took it from the viceroy, moved in some capable generals, and fielded the defense myself.
As for techniques?stating in advance that I don?t remember names!?the most useful at the start was the 120 Will increase. I then moved on to build up my archer capabilities because, due to all my naval warfare in Sun Ce?s region, that was vital to my defense. Juggernauts, as you can get them fairly early, is a marvelous investment. They are nearly as wonderful as Catapults in general usefulness (especially because they hold up reasonably well on the battlefield). Fire tactics are great once you learn how to use them well (or if you have freaks like Zhou Yu). Reinforcing your own buildings is very important if you are constantly defending yourself. I also aim, fairly soon, to speed movement of my siege weaponry and later archers.
Later in the games Catapults with Thunder along with some modifications to increase damage to enemy buildings is key to speed the game. My main tactic wiping out Liu Zhang in my game was to blitz his cities and confuse his units on my way. With nobody to defend his buildings they would fall to me with some 60,000 plus soldiers still inside them. Much nicer than slowly facing them on the battlefield, especially when it comes to conserving food stores on a campaign.
I was actually thinking about writing something up on all this.
March 23, 2007 at 7:19 am #23137CommieCatGirlParticipantI didn’t really have any problems against Sun Ce, even though we had an equal amount of officers, he had twice as many troops as I did, and I was defending Ma Teng in Chang An. I noticed a funny flaw in how the AI works, I took all the cities north of that one southern river (dividing his army with the city of Lu Chang or whatever it’s called) and I left Shou Chun with very little defenses. Anyways, he wanted to avoid my primary force in his reason and attack Shou Chun by going to that one port far east from it and attacking, the main flaw was that it took so long for his forces to actually reach Shou Chun, that a much smaller force only needed to hold the his army off until they ran out of food. Poor bastard, he lost at least 150,000 troops trying to invade like that. I also killed all of his "S" class naval officers to keep myself on equal naval footing against him.
Ma Teng never really learned from his mistakes either. As I was holding Chang An, he sent at least ten different attacks using the same methods: three huge S class calvary units from An Ding (sometimes accompanied by a small weak pike unit) and a few siege units from Han Zhong and Tian Shui, who found themselves in a pretty bad position when they arrived near my defenses and Ma Teng’s calvary was already wiped out. His inability to put anything but calvary to my S class-drilled-veteran-reformed spear units with Guan Yu and Zhang Fei.
Have you ever had the AI go into the "Three Stooges" effect before? When I captured Chen Liu from Cao Cao, Lu Bu, Liu Bei, and Yuan Shu all decided to try to take it from me. In my desperation, I built an embankment at that narrow pass that leads to Chen Liu in that one valley, then, while Lu Bu’s force was taking it down, Liu Bei attacked his army from behind, then while they battled, Yuan Shu attacked both of them and they all got too busy fighting each other that it seems they forgot about capturing Chen Liu. Eventually, Guan Yu managed to reach it, but Ji Ling managed to get him from behind, then I just beat both of them. It was just strange, it worked out good for me, but their mistake was just too silly.
Yeah, the Command techs were pretty useful: Veteran Troops (increases will to 120), Adept March (allows you to use shortcuts and pass Plankways without damage), Reform Military (increases the Max Troops allowed for all ranks by 3000) and Yunnan Ladder (increases attack power against bases) were all pretty useful. At first, I thought Yunnan Ladder was a waste, being the second level 4 tech I got (My first was Reinforce defenses, which doubled the effectiveness of counter-attacks given by Cities and bases) but, when Yuan Tan was near his end, I sent three massive calvary units that were able to easily capture all three of his cities in less then three months with realtive ease and only a a few more losses than an organized attack with siege weapons would’ve done.
I don’t think I’ll use Guan Yu as a viceroy, I prefer to keep him and the other Tiger Generals in my "Elite main force". Since dividing my main army and going into a two-front war probably added a good six years to my game. I did what you did, I set all my non-border cities, with the exception of all those with Yuan Tan, who was my ally, to be controlled by Cao Cao. Strangely enough, Yuan Tan cancelled the alliance right when I defeated Ma Teng and Sun Ce (I built 12 Ship Yards in Chang Sha and devoted my primary force to building 100 War Ships). After some reorganization of my districts, Yuan Tan began to invade. Even though he did capture Pu Yang and Chen Liu, Cao Cao managed to take them back, while Yuan Shu had 100,000 troops in Bei Hei and was just jerking off. I really wish that Yuan Shu would’ve been the oppurtunist bastard who tried to take my only two cities at once when he had more troops.
You have to remember, though; the very thing that makes you a nerd is that your enthusiasms are totally unrelatable and non-marketable to most of the world. For example, anime and celibacy. - Seanbaby
March 26, 2007 at 9:08 pm #23138Terranigma FreakParticipantI bitch slapped Lu Bu to the ground with Dian Wei yesterday.
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