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DragonAtma
ModeratorI'll take a look at this when I'm up for it; I'm preoccupied right now, I'm afraid.
As for really aggressive guys, maybe intelligence should factor into it; they'd have to be both rebellion-prone AND pretty stupid to get an Ou Xing incident.
Also you need a giant "DO NOT UNPLUG" sign XD
August 27, 2012 at 2:00 am in reply to: Destiny of an Emperor RH Guide ( MOVED! to http://doaerhguide.wikidot.com ) #40207DragonAtma
ModeratorShouldn't it be possible to change the percentages? After all, some officers would be more willing to join you than others…
DragonAtma
ModeratorGood, good.
On another side note, I imagine that most officers will NOT be in an officer block, especially when blocks are set to be weak.
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ModeratorOn a late note, in 189 Cao Cao technically served Zhang Miao because he only ran a small county. In a remake, logically he'd be a textbook example of "officer who forms block"! Within a couple years (and with Ziahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan, Cao Ren, etc. as free officers — they should also be fair game for forming blocks), I can easily see him getting stronger than Zhang Miao and stealing rulership form the CPU. Of course, if a player was careful, they could prevent that, and as a bonus they'd have the entire Cao Cao family to assist them…
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ModeratorDon't expect me to do music! That's one thing I'm NOT good at.
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ModeratorIf the str/agi tactics are on par with the int tactics and there's no area-based agi gain, then things *should* be balanced…
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ModeratorNo room? Blah!
I suppose we can make do with undodgable tactics, but…
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ModeratorNah, just use the same failure methods for standard tactics… only with a different stat.
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ModeratorTestudo! Testuuuuudo! *cough*
Seriously, though, I stand by my statement that str and agi abilities should be able to fail — especially if the user has low str/agi.
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ModeratorOver-watering ANY plant kills it…. except kelp, I guess.
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ModeratorWhy wouldn't they? Just because someone has a higher agi stat than the other two, they could still be a 60/90/40 nobody.
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ModeratorAAAH! CACTUAR! KILL IT WITH FIRE 3*!
…seriously, though, the other three come soon enough. Hopefully without ridiculously small eyes.
* Firaga, for those of you who only had the inferior spell naming system.
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ModeratorMultiple blocks are certainly possible, but it depends on the settings. On the lowest setting, there are no blocks. Second lowest, blocks are barely there, and even Liu Bei has trouble getting more than Guan Yu and Zhang Fei. Middling ones, whether they're there or not depends on ruelr stats and whether the player is careless enough to let them form. And finally, the top level will have even Cao Cao treading very lightly around them.
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ModeratorPresumably, all forces (including yours) would be available for Liu Bei to recruit officers. While recruiting a distant officer makes Liu Bei's block larger, he also so thoughtfully provided you with an officer for your force.
Having low loyalty doesn't make someone apply to a block. But if you have a 70 loyalty officer in your force, Liu Bei will view them the same way your rivals view a 70-loyalty officer…
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Assuming that Liu Bei's loyalty is low (say, 70)….
Liu Bei's block is less than thrilled with you, but they want to stay with Liu Bei.
Because Guan Yu is loyal to Liu Bei, Cao Cao will have no luck recruiting him. He'd have nop trouble recruiting Liu Bei, though — and if he gets Liu Bei, then Guan Yu, Zhang Fei, etc. will also join Cao Cao.
And yes, there's the strong risk of Liu Bei stabbing you in the back. If he's a governor, he may declare independence. If he's not, he (with most-if-not-all of his block to back him up!) may attack the province he's in, trying to conquer it from you. And if his block is outright stronger than the nonblock (think Sima Yan & Cao Huan), he may simply demand that you abdicate to him — which would make him the ruler and YOU the leader of the few not-part-of-LiuBei's-block officers.
If we DO wind up with Liu Bei fighting you for the province, then rice/gold would have to be divided; presumably it'd be divided according to soldier strength and officer count, with the governor getting a bonus.
Remember, even though I came up with the idea of officer blocks, they're in no way set in stone…
EDIT: If we do wind up with guan yu and zhang fei in battle as members of a block but on opposite sides, there should be an answer. If they're sitll willing to battle, that's fine. If not, but one of them is with Liu Bei's force, the other guy joins them as well. If not, then one of them will withdraw from battle.
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ModeratorMy standing definition for an officer block: "A group of officers loyal not to the force leader but to another officer who serves him". So Dong Zhuo arguably has a small block under He Jin, but it's dissolved when he seizes Luoyang.
By 220, yeah, the original block members have mostly passed away… and that assuems that he never seized control.
Having multiple blocks is certainly possible, although that'd probably involve getting other forces to surrender (or for the force leader to be conquered and recruited).
The smaller the block is, the more control you have. Presumably, the player should be able to adjust block power (and, if they want, turn off blocks completely!).
Yes, keeping block leaders loyal to you will usually keep the officers in their block loyal. After all, Zhang Fei's not likely to say "I'm sooooo drunk, so I think I'll leave Liu Bei and serve Cao Cao instead! *hic*"
Officers probably should have loyalty both to the force and to the block; the block leader presumably has perfect loyalty to the block for the same reason Cao Cao has perfect loyalty to Cao Cao's force. Of coruse, we can instead have how dedicated the block leader is to the block, with lower dedication increasing the chances of officers being peeled off and/or the block leader deciding "We don't need a block, we're serving Uncle Unfy!"
Spy commands would help with finding info about the block; naturally, it should be easier than it is for other forces, seeing as you have the home field advantage! XD
It shouldn't be too hard to tell block loyalties, so they should be visible; only exception is if you add a much-despised feature to hide officer loyalties to the force leader.
Block loyalty should be able to decrease, as I described above; of course, if the block leader thinks that the ruler is responsible…
Block generals should only be refusing a command when they have lower loyalty to you than the block leader AND the block is quite strong. Do keep in mind that guan yu was technically not in the block at guandu, so that shouldn't trigger here.
As for compatibility (or personality, as you put it) keep in mind that it's the same thing that makes guan yu so fond of liu bei instead of sun quan. It won't be the only reason (15-charm Lu Bu isn't going to have a twenty-officer block!), but it'd be why Guan Yu is more likely to join the Liu Bei block than Pang De is.
Finally, the desire to rule is still be here as their urge to start a new block. Of course, even if Zhang Da values block leadership the way the pope values christianity, he'll have trouble getting anyone to join him…
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