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Looks like you have your work cut out for you in the next few days then. First Flames of Wu, then Rise of Ieyasu 2.0, then Rise of Lu Bu 3.0 to fill me in on balancing issues I may have missed XD
What do I need to do now? I upload the roms to the /DLs/ROMs folder so the link is fine how it is on the roms page. Give it a try,
I changed this for the Yuan Shao Mod/ My three mods as these mods tend to get updated semi-regularly which is more than I can say for the way that this page was before I edited it. It was still on Rise of Lu Bu 1.0, had Rise of Ieyasu 1.0, and no Flames of Wu for example. As it is, I last updated Flames of Wu like 3 days ago so having a copy that is on a local disk would already be outdated. I would keep a backup or so definitely, but keep the main link to the box files to keep them the most current.
You’ll need to update the DZ mod link to the ‘ROM’s’ page. I tried to make it more aesthetically appealing by making the modern mods more accessible rather than jumbled in the midst of a bunch of incomplete mods/random mods, cleaned up the wording on the page, added some screenshots, and linked to our box.com accounts (me and MidKnight) because this way they stay updated and don’t become dated with 1.0 versions on that page while we’re on 3.0 with tons of fixes, updates, and more. If you want to download local copies for yourself so in 20 years when the world goes to heck and we both die and box.com shuts down our accounts for inactivity, you still have a local copy.
I just think it terrible for someone who finally got interested in modding to be turned off by some hokey-pinocchi-artichokie broken/incomplete mod with authors who never updated their mod and thus casuing people to never even bother to try some of the more interesting incarnations of DOAE that people have worked seriously on, and thus causing the world of DOAE hacking to come crashing down, and if nothing else, think of how the Jin Xuan Mod would never be completed!?
At any rate, I DID consider before undertaking the Rise of Ieyasu Mod doing a Dong Zhuo Mod simply for the comic potential(doing battles just to chase after women, blaspheming his own officers, lots of “BWAHAHAHA!”) but figured since I already did Rise of Lu Bu that I wanted to do something entirely different in terms of forces, area, and story and I think it turned out decent…
Run from Bian Zhang if you come across him in the fields, he’s the only formidable officer you’ll find.
I ran into him 4 times in a row and got smashed every time… I just gave up on it after that when I was broke and starving.
I know you can skip Yuan Shu, but why would you? He’s 200-200-200. Good versatility. In theory, it’d make sense to find him a spot where he’s recruitable and you can’t get around it.
Yeah, I just wanted to see how messed up the game would be not recruiting him. I know in the Cao Cao mod, last time I put my balls to the walls for an impossible game, I remember Cao Pi being the Liu Feng replacement but totally skippable. In the Flames of Wu mod this was a concern… how to recruit Sun Quan but still start off as Sun Ce/Sun Jian…. SO I made him the 7th person that HAD to be recruited because you HAD to buy a gullwing, so you HAD to recruit him in front of the shop to get out of Changsha area and made him non-removable from the party… voila, an integral story person added, albeit rather differently, but still effectively.
The very last battle is super tough, I agree. Basically have to Bei Ji your toughest fighters, get Ce Mian up and continue to keep it up, and have your tough guys full of powder pills.
Yeah, this actually is what I hated about the original. I loved playing the game all the way through up to the late Wei/Jin areas because it was just a matter of starving officers, huge travels to fight one gate battle, only to have to gullwing back to town to rest, then do it again, then randomly have some guy like Xun Huo spank your party, then do it again, then get attritioned by Sima Yi when he was the last guy standing, then run out of TP because Ce Mian failed always after 1 turn… I like more strategy now…
Think of it like this, when you playtest it, if you find yourself save state resetting more than once or at a MAX twice ONLY because of a total party wipe-out, your battle is too hard and some mechanic needs to be addressed whether enemy attack or defense.
One thing he did gameplay-wise that I remember being nice was having a good balance of growth-soldier officers and high-soldier, temporary officers. Then again I also remember him having Xiahou Yuan in the game from the beginning but barely using him because his soldier count was low and there are so many quality Wei officers to choose from and have to whittle down to just 5 in battle. But that goes with the mod I guess.
This was an issue I worked EXTREMELY hard to remedying in the Flames of Wu mod because having Zhou Yu, Lu Meng, Lu Su, Lu Xun all in the party at the same time made other officers obsolete. Essentially, it boiled down to this to fix it:
*High INT officers got super low/static soldier counts which made you swap them out simply for soldiers. Reminiscent of Li Ru who many kept throughout the original game for his High INT and An Sha capabilities. No one ever even used the Ma bros or Yuan Shu/Yuan Shao officers.
*High STR officers got above average HP but I made sure their INT was super low, and if I gave them more INT, I gave them a soldier cut.An offer for you sonic…
Hmmm… That is a tempting offer… if you can get 1.3 to work and the DOAEditor edits to be workable in terms of crashes, page 2 of those tactics, etc, I remember it was quite a lot to fix, but hey, if you’re up for it, lets collaborate on it, I would just need a simple, mostly patched working Cao Cao mod to launch off of. In other words
1. it has to be workable enough where it won’t lock up
2. I have be able to use DOAEditor with it because such massive changes require it
3. Probably some more updates to the RH guide with specifics about certain issues and how to edit specific parts of code for example, if I want a duel on the mismatch list to auto-kill someone instead of just a loss or debuff.Making portraits for fun :thumleft: and fixed Zhao Yun and his awkward eye which wasn’t aligned properly. E gads, another open mouthed portrait!
*Liu Yan killed his own rebel force, then attacked Zhang Wei, lol… hmmm, the issue where people are attacking their own allies seems to work with the officer @ the top slot of the enemy formation.
*Shu is a little bit harder than chapters 1-5
*X-BOWS!!! Major death-hack :P
*Han Sui… has green lips :wasted:Part 2:
*Dueling isn’t worth it. It’s too unpredictable and costs 15 TP to use! I would honestly exchange the Duel/Arrow tactic. Make Duel learned first for 5 TP, and have arrow learned later @ a cost of 15 TP.
*Zhang He is WAY overstatted… INT is way too high.
*Same issue w/ yellow bars, the orange bars were just starting to grow…
*Lu Bu is just a tank while I use ARROWS!!!!!
*Tian Kai tried to get the Heishan Bandits but I shot him with ARROWS!!!
*Gongsun Zan used Charge and attacked himself for -700 troops :retard: by george I think you have a bug :P
*Gongsun Zan used Haste and it said “Yuan Tan’s troops move faster*
*Cheng Pu used Haste and increased Lu Bu’s agility. I think you have the wrong [OFFICER] syntax in your rom.
*Ji Ling challenged Yan Liang to a duel and he rejected it…. with their low INT they’re supposed to be a liabilty, so why not have them accept duels always if their INT is under, say, 175 and their STR is over 200?
*Sun Jian hangs out with some odd friends :P
*Ju Shou is WAY overstatted…
*Auto-drinking eh? That was cheap and forced me to retreat, heh heh.
*Song Yong and Huo Hu are now my baggage boys!
*Guy says Sun Ce went out with his troops, but I encounter Zhang Yan!*Nice, the opening bios is now edited and explains the warlords in this mod. Major kudo’s as it sets the stage for what your mod is all about. Nice bio for… Cao Hong, lol.
*Could use a little more spice in the opening line by “the father”. Just a few words replaced, but otherwise seems identical.
*Cool, gray battle bars XD I noticed you moved Ye further north
*Why even bother putting Cui Yuje and Cui Jun at the starting point w/soldier growth? They get ditched immediately upon acquiring Chen Lin. Maybe give them higher, but static soldiers.
*Need to apply the border/text dual colors to this mod.
*Throne room, girl next to He Jin, isn’t Marshall only spelled w/ one L ? I think Marshall(s) is a clothing outlet store.
*Thank you for making gold coins all one sentence so you don’t have to press a key to display *coins*
*Like how leveling is faster in Chapter 1, but TP growth is still 3-5 (or 6?)? Why not use the whole TP pool if you don’t need a strategist to learn tactics? There are 30 tactics and it caps out at 255 so, 8 TP max gained per level and you max out at 240 rather than the measily 120 like the original. The higher TP pool also makes it harder to abuse Defend later on if you increase the amount of TP it costs to use high level tactics.
*I like how you don’t have to press a button for Defending as it auto jumps to the next person, but having the text 3 lines long makes it jump and you can’t read it. Use the format -TP amount- gained! Forget saying defend and the persons name, just have it say “5 TP gained!” or “Defended for 5 TP!” this way its not so *jumpy*
*You need to up the agility of rebel forces in chapter 1, they don’t even get a hit on your army before they’re all dead.
*Arrows is really overpowered. You do 150-250 damage on a party of 5 while normal attacks do 30 (unless fighting rebels in which you get 2-3 attacks) I just arrow w/ Yan and Wen once or twice, then go all out against the bosses, did this all through chapter 1.
*He Jin says “this poison tastes “terribe”, needs an l
*HP bars are TOO short before they switch to Orange. They should extend the length of the sceen before switching, so change how many soldiers the length represents to a lower amount as BIG bars are just that much more impressive :D I think currently you have around 500 to go orange, but the guy w/ the longest bar, yuan tan, only has a bar that’s maybe 3/4 long.
*Does Tao Sheng have the same face as Zhang Liang? Maybe not…
*Heal is pretty useless by the time you get to level 09, I just use resurrects and don’t bother healing.
*Guo Tu is a monster compared to the other nubs that I have.
*Chapter 2, arrows is now even more overpowering. I recall having this issue last time I played. 2nd. Gate before Luo Yang I just all-outed it vs. Xu Rong.
*Have $3,000 gold and nowhere to spend it!!!
*Arrows, arrows, arrows….
*Didn’t even bother putting Lu Kuang into the party, and I don’t think I even used the guy before him. Maybe Yuan Shang should be available here. Seems he should be into the story already…
*Killed Liu Bei @ the gate battle… and he said I couldn’t win! Just killed all his rebel buddies and he spent the next few turns trying to revive them :P Actually… now I can’t get rid of the Treaty… err, going back to redo. Maybe give Liu Bei like 1500 hp and 200 Defense so people don’t kill him >_>
*You should go to west at once <- Cao Cao speech @ Hu Lao. Found a Ax there too which is kind of obsolete, maybe add armor to the pot? *LOL'd at Red Hare's story :D Maybe add one more line, "It's red." *People in Hu Lao gate are funny! *Arrows... I have no need to use "Defend" to regenerate TP. Arrows provides so much punch for so little TP that they guys are all but obliterated before I run out of TP. Just go to the inn and rest. *Have $5,000 gold and nowhere to spend it!!! *Yuan Shu must talk a lot of smack about people's mothers... *So... Dong Zhuo and the maids, lol *Flood is a waste vs. Arrow users... *Dong Zhuo and his armies fell before my arrow storm... Defended w/ everyone except Yan and Wen and arrowed them to death. Feel bad I don't get to use all those other tactics. Heal is still useless vs. resurrecting, but I never lose anyone anyways because no one dishes out that much damage. *Salve at level 12... should've been learned like 3-4 levels ago. *Buying power pils seems a waste at this point since charge is so cheap. *Where can I buy gullwings!? *Dueled Ji Ling just for something different. *Guy @ Hua Nan says 'kinaped' instead of 'kidnapped' *Can I buy some arrows for $400 Alex? *Any idea on how we could implement that actual "attack the west gate or else..." code. I heard that it was supposed to work like they have 255 A.C. unless you attack the west gate. That'd actually make that whole speech worthwhile. *Gongsun Yue is a fast mother... *Sun Jian actually managed to kill someone :) ... but the result was still the same. ARROWS!!! *Getting caps in cave of Nanyang is pointless considering everyone has caps already. A treasure cave should allow treasure you can't buy or at least some cash or food. *Errr... somehow when Yuan Shu went to use an attack/tactic on me, he healed one of my guys.... and of course, then he Duels with Wen Chou.... silly Yuan Shu :WW *Ambush battle north of Nan Yang speech, there is a period in the middle of the sentence after 'my'. *Feng Ji tried to Blaze me but he didn't even know that tactic yet :geek: More to come...Going to be giving this another try since it’s been a while. Can’t wait to see what new updates are in store for this mod. :thumright:
Victory via savestate/Ansha hacking!
*Okay, so some final notes about this rom, it’s age is definately prevalent because the only “current” updates to it are the new sprites/portraits which could use some work. I personally don’t feel sacrificing portrait “normalness” just have colors is worth it. One afternoon and you can recolor the DOAE2 portraits to make them normal.
*The luck attrition victory/Ansha hacking was about the only way to beat this mod as the officers were WAY overpowered. The final battle the enemy has Ji Mian, Ce Mian, and Guard, all which are cancelable with newer updates so as to not create such an imbalance where strategy and fun are thrown out the window in liue of button mashing until you get a favorable outcome.
*I felt the writing got lazy towards the end of the game. It was obvious time was spent around chapter 3/4/5, but after that it felt like stock DOAE with a few different gate battles. It seemed that everytime I killed a major boss they would either drop the F-bomb or use the original DOAE responses with a word or two changed. I think with some polish this mod could really shine. Glad I played through it and finished it to the end. It was definitely a lot easier than the Dong Zhuo mod which is literally impossible even with savestate hacking. Decent job for an older mod Lord Yuan Shu!
*Through Wu, some MAJOR imbalance here which leads to savestate hacking…
*Too many officers have 200 AC which makes them impossible to kill conventionally. Strong warriors are useless until you get Nu Long/Qing Long
*Zhu Rong has a beard!
*Hit a gate in Wei…. quote says “there’s no one here” then I get attacked lol
*I’m fighting Wei guys at gates and Shu guys in the field. Wierd…
*A lot of the portraits would be better if you just left them white background instead of red/gray/blue eyes.
*The age of this version shows. Every battle is just a battle of attrition and luck. Ansha your way to victory or hope they don’t use Wan Fu with Bei Ji strategy…
*Liu Bei battle, they just Ji Mian + Ce Mian me and it’s impossible to win…MidKnight I have a request… any way you can cook up some code to allow “Dual Wielding” at the expense of body armor? So once you equip a second weapon, your body armor de-equips and once you equip body armor, any second weapon is de-equipped? Is that even possible?
*Trying this mod out again… Song Yong, heh. This mod is a little bit less oppressive than than the Dong Zhuo mod.
*Wish they didn’t have red faces!
*Took a whole lot of resurrects, I didn’t even bother healing because Chi Xin is so weak, but I beat Zhang Jiao and his crew around level 8.
*I skipped recruiting Yuan Shu… should this be possible in the Yuan Shu Mod :P
*Liu Bei failed to send reinforcements to Fan Shui Guan?
*Recruiting people by giving them powder, heh heh, cool. What you should do is replace the ability to recruit any officer with cash/auto join with the “only join via steed” event. Check the Romhacking guide on how to do that.
*One thing I like about this mod is you’re wandering around with a bunch of nobodies. I don’t even know the names of half these guys in my party.
*Not having Agility viewable is a major downer…
*Really need to replace the Chi Xin tactic sooner. It’s worthless when your guys have 400+ troops and you can only heal 30 at a time. Just let them die and resurrect for 400 hp
*Huo Hu definitely has the best powder… How about instead of “Power Pil” you make it “Powda Pil”
*Jia Xu…is pink!
*Xu Rong and Dong Min have 100 AP? That’s more than Lu Bu! In fact, Li Jue is packing more heat than Lu Bu…
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*When you say “no” to Lu Bu’s request, it doesn’t have a [>] for there to be a pause, lol, the same thing when he finishes the line “beg for his life.”, no pause.
*”intend to stop your rise to Emperor” to the position of Emperor is what you meant?
*Level 12, and still have Chi Xin. Guys w/ 600+ troops now and just using Resurrects, no healing.
*Game gets a lot easier once you can actually buy decent equipment in Chang An. If I didn’t know where the ‘hidden weapons’ were, I would say getting past Chang An is almost impossible. Maybe offer Clubs for sale in Lu Yang at a cost of $1000?
*Jian Yong, Wang Fu, and Shang Long have more AP and are more dangerous than Zhang Fei or Guan Yu…
*Did some cheater leveling South of Chang An… :P
* Liu Bei must have some unresolved issues if he is kidnapping all of the young boys…
*Lu Bu is obsolete long before you get to Nan Yang. No strong weapons, I have other guys with 800+ troops, and his low INT makes him a liability. Deeped 6’d him in the party backlines until he will probably betray me. Recruited all of Liu Bei’s lackeys and ditched all the Yuan generals.
*Somehow I’m missing Ji Ling through all of this??
*Got 16,000 cash when I reached Nan Yang from all the grinding.
*Ju Shou wasn’t as terrible as he thought he was, I Yam Re’d his face into the ground!
*Liu Ye has got some freaky eyes… but once I recruited Ju Shou, Liu Ye was just another body.
*Once I got Ji Rou the game got super easy…
*Mountains are cool and everthing, but how about making them look more like a natural barrier rather than a straight strip of mountain which is kind of… lame. These are found in a lot of areas like Ji Zhou, Changsha, Zhong Yuan, etc.
*Ji Rou…. All out… heal… All out… heal… All out
*Not having Yuan Shu soaking up an officer space is letting me deck out my party with 1000+ officers prematurely :D
*Every chapter I seem to be fighting Zhang Fei…
*Zhou Yu + 2 other guys with Hong Shui + Ji Rou caster= impossible battle to win without savestate hacking. Change this battle.
*Chang Sha… Hua Xin with 170 AP!!? wth… Sun Ce only has 120!!
*Once you get bow/swords Jing Zhou fails…
*Zhou Yu got stupider with tactics at Ling Ling. He lost Hong Shui!
*Now I have to go to the reserves to get Liu Ye back to get rid of him…
*and now its Destiny of Yuan Shao! Still no Yuan Shu in my party of Yuan Shao, Hua Xin, Ji Ling, Zhang Xun, and Wen Hun + Yuan Yin pack mule and Ju Shou strategist.
*Game is picking up because now its *FINALLY* different from the original DOAE in terms of story, first two chapters vs turbans and Dong Zhuo were pretty boring.
*Liu Xun and Yang Hong only get in the party because of their doube troop count over others.
*Huo Hu has gotta sell at Hu Lao Guan, ROFL, best line of the game.
*Zhang Lu battle was a battle of attrition… once Ji Rou is lost things got harder.
*Chen Gong became my TP bank once I hit Shu and Huo Hu became my hitman w/ Ansha
*Yuan Yin (has always been) and Zhang Xun are wastes of space at this point.
*Hit Chengdu w/ 120,000 cash after buying equips. Maybe up the price of items at this point?
*Cao Cao and his wife Liu Bei, lol??? (guys leaving speech), finally got rid of Zhang Xun and Yuan Yin
*Wasn’t Sun Ce of killed at Ling Ling? and how can Shu attack if the Yuan’s own Shu?
*Zhao and Huang fell beneath my Huo Hu Ansha…Sun Quan and Cao Cao MUST PAY!
*Gonna take a break before invading Wu…Question, aren’t these the 2013 Huo Hu Awards? :vap:
